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Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
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Re: WebObjects become opensource ?


  • Subject: Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
  • From: Mike Schrag <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:43:28 -0400

Copyright is a very different set of laws, protecting a different issue, though. My main point still stands -- if you're FOR traditional patents, why would you be AGAINST software patents. All the same intrinsic reasons for existence apply and several of the same problems (i invented it independently, but you got the patent, so you win). If you're against traditional patents, too, then that's an entirely different story. Like I said, there's huge abuse in the system largely in terms of grants of what most developers would consider obvious patents, but I don't know that they're intrinsically bad as a concept. If you invent some fundamentally new data structure that makes your app substantially better at what it does, it's in the public's interest that you disclose the algorithm or process you came up with so that other people can extend it in the future, but the trade-off is obviously that you get exclusive rights to the process for a certain time period. Like I said below, 20 years seems too long in our industry -- it's not like pharma where you might have an R&D process that literally took many years start-to-finish ... I don't know what a fair time period is, but the concept seems appropriate.

ms

On Sep 15, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:

Where to start :) They really, truly impede progress, Software is already protected by copyright. For other reasons:

http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/intro/explain.html

But the basics are: if you are a dev in a small company, you'd be utterly, royally crazy to be for software patents. The offer absolutely no protection if you have any and will kill you if you don't.

Cheers, Anjo



Am 15.09.2009 um 18:10 schrieb Mike Schrag:

As I understand it, NeXT (and now Apple) actually has a patent on KVC and O-R mapping ... They seem obvious now (well, unless you've looked at EOF source :) ), but pretty novel in 1994. It's a weird thing for me. People obviously abuse the hell out of them, but if you believe regular patents are legit, it seems to me there is obviously _something_ to software patents. I think the "obviousness" test is not being effectively applied, but I suppose if you come up with something TRULY novel, why shouldn't you have protection on it just like someone who invents some mechanical device? 20 YEARS might be a bit much .... meh . oh well. It is what it is at this point.

On Sep 15, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Q wrote:


On 16/09/2009, at 1:09 AM, André Mitra wrote:

you don't have Apple stock?

Software patents are just evil. I recently investigated the possibility of writing something for the iphone but the patent indemnity cost for one of the key technology components it required was prohibitively expensive.


If used to defend against competition of a real shipping product I can see the value in software patents. But when they are used purely as a cash generating portfolio with no real commercial interest, that just isn't right.

On 15-Sep-09, at 10:52 AM, Anjo Krank wrote:

Death to software patents (and their holders!)

Cheers, Anjo



Am 15.09.2009 um 15:57 schrieb Mike Schrag:

apple has patents on many aspects of WebObjects that are valuable

On Sep 15, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Mike Nowak wrote:

I just don't understand why an enterprise level technology like WebObjects is a state secret. I can understand why consumer products need a level of secrecy to build excitement and not to cannibalize sales but WebObjects?

On Sep 13, 2009, at 2:45 PM, David LeBer wrote:

Mike,

Not to be harsh, but you are not going to get that. Apple is not going to make any kind of public statement about WebObjects NOT being deprecated.

If Apple had depreciated WO they would have issued a statement to that effect. They haven't.

-- Mike Nowak Center for Health Communications Research The University of Michigan http://chcr.umich.edu

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