Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
- Subject: Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
- From: Miguel Arroz <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:07:27 +0100
Hi!
That example is tricky. Data structures can be considered
mathematical concepts (in portugal we call "informatica" to
everything, but the english language clearly makes a distinction
between software engineering and computer science). Can you patent a
mathematical concept? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
This raises the question of what is patented in a software patent:
the implementation or the concept?
Yours
Miguel Arroz
On 2009/09/15, at 19:43, Mike Schrag wrote:
Copyright is a very different set of laws, protecting a different
issue, though. My main point still stands -- if you're FOR
traditional patents, why would you be AGAINST software patents. All
the same intrinsic reasons for existence apply and several of the
same problems (i invented it independently, but you got the patent,
so you win). If you're against traditional patents, too, then that's
an entirely different story. Like I said, there's huge abuse in the
system largely in terms of grants of what most developers would
consider obvious patents, but I don't know that they're
intrinsically bad as a concept. If you invent some fundamentally new
data structure that makes your app substantially better at what it
does, it's in the public's interest that you disclose the algorithm
or process you came up with so that other people can extend it in
the future, but the trade-off is obviously that you get exclusive
rights to the process for a certain time period. Like I said below,
20 years seems too long in our industry -- it's not like pharma
where you might have an R&D process that literally took many years
start-to-finish ... I don't know what a fair time period is, but the
concept seems appropriate.
ms
On Sep 15, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Anjo Krank wrote:
Where to start :) They really, truly impede progress, Software is
already protected by copyright. For other reasons:
http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/intro/explain.html
But the basics are: if you are a dev in a small company, you'd be
utterly, royally crazy to be for software patents. The offer
absolutely no protection if you have any and will kill you if you
don't.
Cheers, Anjo
Am 15.09.2009 um 18:10 schrieb Mike Schrag:
As I understand it, NeXT (and now Apple) actually has a patent on
KVC and O-R mapping ... They seem obvious now (well, unless you've
looked at EOF source :) ), but pretty novel in 1994. It's a weird
thing for me. People obviously abuse the hell out of them, but if
you believe regular patents are legit, it seems to me there is
obviously _something_ to software patents. I think the
"obviousness" test is not being effectively applied, but I suppose
if you come up with something TRULY novel, why shouldn't you have
protection on it just like someone who invents some mechanical
device? 20 YEARS might be a bit much .... meh . oh well. It is
what it is at this point.
On Sep 15, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Q wrote:
On 16/09/2009, at 1:09 AM, André Mitra wrote:
you don't have Apple stock?
Software patents are just evil. I recently investigated the
possibility of writing something for the iphone but the patent
indemnity cost for one of the key technology components it
required was prohibitively expensive.
If used to defend against competition of a real shipping product
I can see the value in software patents. But when they are used
purely as a cash generating portfolio with no real commercial
interest, that just isn't right.
On 15-Sep-09, at 10:52 AM, Anjo Krank wrote:
Death to software patents (and their holders!)
Cheers, Anjo
Am 15.09.2009 um 15:57 schrieb Mike Schrag:
apple has patents on many aspects of WebObjects that are
valuable
On Sep 15, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Mike Nowak wrote:
I just don't understand why an enterprise level technology
like WebObjects is a state secret. I can understand why
consumer products need a level of secrecy to build excitement
and not to cannibalize sales but WebObjects?
On Sep 13, 2009, at 2:45 PM, David LeBer wrote:
Mike,
Not to be harsh, but you are not going to get that. Apple is
not going to make any kind of public statement about
WebObjects NOT being deprecated.
If Apple had depreciated WO they would have issued a
statement to that effect. They haven't.
--
Mike Nowak
Center for Health Communications Research
The University of Michigan
http://chcr.umich.edu
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Seeya...Q
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