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Hi Pascal,

I did suggest it at WOWODC 2011 about using collaborative channel that would enable governments to "save face". While it might be a huge undertaking for the Navy, the U.S. National Science Foundation is another story. If I recall, they do recognize contributions from private companies within allied countries, Canada included. Also, last I checked Chuck has dual citizenship.

V/R,

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From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=email@hidden [mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=email@hidden] On Behalf Of Pascal Robert

Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 1:58 PM

To: Chuck Hill

Cc: email@hidden

Subject: Re: [OT] .Net goes Open Source

And no leadership. Also, at WOWODC 2014, almost everyone said that they are using their own forks.

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De: "Chuck Hill" <email@hidden>

À: "Ken Anderson" <email@hidden>, "Pascal Robert" <email@hidden>

Cc: "email@hidden" <email@hidden>

Envoyé: Jeudi 5 Février 2015 16:42:00

Objet: Re: [OT] .Net goes Open Source

I think he means there have not been a lot of new additions or work done on it lately.

On 2015-02-05, 1:13 PM, "Ken Anderson" wrote:

Nobody cares about WOnder anymore? You feeling OK Pascal?

On Feb 5, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Pascal Robert <email@hidden> wrote:

I guess it will be in the not-very-open TreasureBoard. Nobody cares about Wonder anymore.

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De: "Daniel D CIV NAVAIR Beatty, 474300D" <email@hidden>

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Envoyé: Jeudi 5 Février 2015 16:07:11

Objet: RE: [OT] .Net goes Open Source

Hi gang,

I seem to remember talk amongst the project wonder gang that we might actually refactor Wonder to use a pseudo-web-objects. If looks like WO, smells like WO, but legally not WO could Wonder be the owner?

V/R,

Daniel Beatty, Ph.D.,

IEEE Certified Software Development Professional (CSDP)

Computer Scientist

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China Lake, CA 93555

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From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=email@hidden <mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=email@hidden> [mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=email@hidden] On Behalf Of Troy Lumasag

Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 10:15 PM

To: email@hidden

Subject: Re: [OT] .Net goes Open Source

Hey guys,

What really are the problems - direct, impending or long term problems being as it is now?

I can recall these stated problems if I understood it correct:

1. porting issues(moving to future java versions) 2. single-threaded editing context <- Must be a bottleneck problem for multiple instance setup?

Sorry if I'm being naive on my question haha

--Troy

On 2/5/2015 11:55 AM, Timothy Worman wrote:

WebObjects is one of Apple’s weapons - it helps them be fluid and quick - especially with the devs they have. Maybe open sourcing WO seems threatening because it is a internal business advantage.

Tim Worman

UCLA GSE&IS

On Feb 4, 2015, at 4:59 PM, OC <email@hidden> wrote:

On 5. 2. 2015, at 1:42, Hugi Thordarson <email@hidden> wrote:

Apple cares about money, not us.

Oh, absolutely! Given the zilliards Apple charges for WebObjects licences... oh, wait.

Actually I just don't get it -- for long long years I don't get it at all.

(i) first, they seriously cripple the world's best web application framework by cutting out the ObjC support, leaving it Java-only, and thus half-unusable.

(ii) then they stop bundling it.

(iii) then they stop supporting it at all.

All right, I can see after (i) they could hardly charge any money for licencing, whilst the support price would skyrocket; but why on earth not put it to open source at the same moment?!?

The same company who is known to put _lots_ of pretty interesting things to public (see Darwin).

Oh, sigh.

About the only (dumb and conspirational) theory I can think of is

that were the sources open, hacking App Store would get the usual

'varsity freaks pastime :)

- hugi

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2015/02/03/coreclr-is-now-op

en-source.aspx

The github is here

https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr

It’s a shame Apple never did the same with WO.

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