Re: Complimentary App Server Choice
Re: Complimentary App Server Choice
- Subject: Re: Complimentary App Server Choice
- From: Tim W via Webobjects-dev <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 11:39:50 -0800
Thanks for this Lon.
As I begin contemplating a move from WO -> Cayenne, I’m really appreciating
hearing what folks are using from a front-end perspective. Wicket looks like a
pretty interesting one and from a familiarity perspective may be the best I’ve
seen coming from a WO background.
Since I haven’t made the leap I don’t know how folks are binding various
front-end technologies, like angular etc., to a ORM backend. I’m assuming by
moving toward web api’s.
From a non-familiarity perspective (and focused more on broadening skillsets),
I’m thinking of looking at Node.js to leverage ORM experience but also branch
more into front-ends the way the kids are doing it. I don’t expect many from
the WO army have gone that direction but curious to hear of any experiences.
Tim
UCLA GSE&IS
> On Feb 14, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Lon Varscsak via Webobjects-dev
> <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> We've settled on Apache Wicket (apps are being re-written from WO) with
> Apache Cayenne (EOF-like but more modern). I love both, I would be sad if I
> had to use a different toolset.
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:14 AM Jérémy DE ROYER via Webobjects-dev
> <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>>
> wrote:
> Hi
>
> And about wo components framework ?
>
> What are you using with Bootique ?
>
> Jérémy
>
>> Le 13 févr. 2020 à 23:08, Matthew Ness via Webobjects-dev
>> <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Bootique.
>>
>> We've had various types of Bootique apps in production for years now to
>> great success, some with the Cayenne module directly derived from older WO
>> apps/dbs, some communicating with existing WO apps, others simply processing
>> tasks.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --
>> Matt
>> http://logicsquad.net <http://logicsquad.net/>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, at 11:25 PM, Andrus Adamchik via Webobjects-dev wrote:
>>> My opinionated take is the following:
>>>
>>> * The "official" JavaEE is dead and is now a pure volunteer effort under
>>> https://jakarta.ee/ <https://jakarta.ee/> . The "appserver" concept has
>>> almost disappeared and morphed to something different. All the past market
>>> leaders have moved on to more lightweight solutions, though some still
>>> cling to .war deployment.
>>>
>>> * SpringBoot is the market leader in the Java world. If you are looking to
>>> build a marketable Java developer resume, learn SpringBoot.
>>>
>>> * If you need to write apps for your org or your customers, and are not
>>> constrained by the PHBs opinion, use Bootique. It is a better platform in
>>> the modern appserver-free world. Bootique is "commercially-viable" in a
>>> sense that there are hundreds of apps that run in prod for a number of
>>> years. But it is still an open source effort supported by community and a
>>> mid-sized company (ObjectStyle), so it is sometimes an uphill battle in
>>> organizations that are looking to conform to the lowest common denominator.
>>>
>>> So you decide :)
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev
>>>> <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for that… it looks really interesting…
>>>>
>>>> Is it a commercially viable alternative to some of the others like JBoss,
>>>> Tomcat, Websphere etc..
>>>>
>>>> I would like to add another feather to my bow but not really sure which
>>>> architecture to devote time to so that I can work on bigger projects in a
>>>> team...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 13 Feb 2020, at 11:16, Andrus Adamchik <email@hidden
>>>>> <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We are using Bootique: https://bootique.io/ <https://bootique.io/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like SpringBoot, its idea is that it is not an "appserver". It gives
>>>>> you a plain Java app with your own "main" method, and a way to assemble
>>>>> various components together (and also modularity, dependency injection,
>>>>> consistent configuration and a large collection of ready-to-use modules).
>>>>> The app can serve web requests, run jobs or do whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unlike SpringBoot, Bootique is much smaller, starts much faster, and
>>>>> doesn't feel like magic. Also all the apps you write are automatically
>>>>> equipped with POSIX CLI.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev
>>>>>> <email@hidden <mailto:email@hidden>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spring and it’s ecosystem seems to be pretty powerful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> Please excuse iOS autocomplete
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev
>>>>>>> <email@hidden
>>>>>>> <mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hey if any one was to use a different app server configuration other
>>>>>>> than WO what would you choose and why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are most companies requesting these days in a Java system?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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