Re: Will X11 ever be installed by default?
Re: Will X11 ever be installed by default?
- Subject: Re: Will X11 ever be installed by default?
- From: Patrick Coskren <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:20:03 -0400
On Jul 28, 2004, at 8:29 PM, Malcolm Fitzgerald wrote:
Rich Cook wrote:
I disagree that it's unrealistic; X11.app can be bundled, installed
and run from an X11 program by a vendor. That's realistic. But I
agree it's unrealistic to think that xv is ever going to come with
X11.app bundled. :-) I think Apple has a challenge going forward
as to how to integrate X11 more beautifully into their OS, and I am
willing to bet they are thinking hard how best to do this.
I'm a spoon-fed Mac user. From my limited perspective I can't
understand why it's any different to running apps in classic. You
double click the app, it wants a different working environment, so the
machine fires it up. From this point of view the only thing standing
between my Mac and X11 apps is the time and effort it takes smarter
cookies that me to do this.
The difference is that Classic was designed from scratch to be easy to
use. X11 was designed from to be useful in a Unix environment, with
ease-of-use a very small consideration. That's one reason it took
Apple to finally make a user-friendly Unix, and it's why they didn't
use X11 to do it. Sure, X11 itself could be made easier, but that's up
to the X11 standards groups, not Apple.
What I want from Apple is an environment where I can run all my Linux
apps with the same ease of use as I would have on Linux, no more, until
I can transition those apps to something native. Right now I have
that, so I'm in hog heaven.
That said, I still maintain that the original problem described is an
installer bug. X11 shouldn't be *that* much of a pain. :-)
-Patrick
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