Re: X11 and 10.5.1
Re: X11 and 10.5.1
- Subject: Re: X11 and 10.5.1
- From: Dave Schroeder <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:15:00 -0600
For whatever it's worth, that's how a previous X11 update has been
done...e.g.,
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/x11update2006113.html
- Dave
On Nov 7, 2007, at 9:11 PM, Rich Cook wrote:
Maybe it would work better if Apple would consider pushing out "non
OS updates" instead of making every little change to ever
application be an OS issue. I mean, if I add a column in Mail.app
why is that an OS X update? The system is very cumbersome.
On Nov 7, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Dave Schroeder wrote:
It's a very involved process for things to be included in OS
updates, especially something considered, for better or worse, more
"marginal", such as X11. Don't get me wrong: I would love to see
these updates in an official Apple update soon. I just also know
some of what has to happen behind the scenes for this to occur, and
there's the matter of priorities...
- Dave
On Nov 7, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Rich Cook wrote:
What is it about Apple that makes you say it could not be
included? I really don't understand Apple's messed up update
philosophy. It is frustratingly slow and unnecessarily opaque.
On Nov 7, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Dave Schroeder wrote:
I doubt, *highly*, that any of this could be included in 10.5.1,
or 10.5.anything. It is likelier that this could take the form of
a future standalone X11 update, as has been the case with
previous X11 updates.
- Dave
On Nov 7, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Mick Mueck wrote:
G'Day Ben,
I had grazed across this issue as an off-topic side note in an
earlier post to the list, but you didn't take the bait :-). From
past experience with being on the OS X seed list and also being
an X11 user I have two observations:
1. X11 is very rarely updated once a new cat is released.
2. It can sometimes take an incredibly long time (many weeks)
between the time a bug is fixed and when it makes actually it
into the next 10.x.y release.
Given that X11 in 10.5.0 is effectively unusable, can we get
some kind of inkling that all the X11 goodness pouring out of
you has a chance of making it into 10.5.1? Apple has just
started seeding 10.5.1 betas and I'm already marginally worried
that anything submitted now for X11 may miss the final cut. That
certainly happened with TCL/TK. However, IF there is a chance
then I'm guessing NOW is the time to start worrying about bug
fix priorities and I'd like to think the studio audience here
has an opportunity to help prioritize these. This, of course, is
a strong function of just how deep and insidious some of these
bugs are, but if you believe there is a short list of bite-sized
bug fixes that we could vote on for 10.5.1 then would it be
possible to post that list?
I realize this may have the potential to turn into something
ugly depending on how passionate people get. Anyway, given that
your latest X11 is in fairly good shape, I'd rather see you take
a small break from fixing bugs IF your time is required to
ensure an updated X11 in 10.5.1. Maybe I've just got an arrogant
and selfish viewpoint - wouldn't be the first time I've been
accused of that :-)
Mick
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