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Re: Eliminating the xterm
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Re: Eliminating the xterm


  • Subject: Re: Eliminating the xterm
  • From: Bill Janssen <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:53:21 PST
  • Comments: In-reply-to Ben Byer <email@hidden> message dated "Sat, 10 Nov 2007 05:51:40 -0800."

> We were
> worried that people would be accustomed to double-clicking on /Apps/
> Utils/X11.app in Tiger and having an xterm pop up (via the system
> xinitrc), and that if that didn't happen with Leopard, they'd think it
> was "broken".  Oh, how silly that seems now...
>
> I am a little confused, though, as to why we are trying to find a way
> to preemptively launch the X server without starting a "real
> program".  Is this to avoid the .xinitrc / .Xresources race condition?

Among other things.  Might want to make sure your umask is set, etc.
All the things that it's hard to do with a .login script on OS X.
Almost everyone who ran X11 previously, whether on Linux or OS X, has
developed a custom .xinitrc to get all the various "startup" things
done, and to start their particular set of X11 programs (mine is an
X11 GNU Emacs started with "-f shell").  So we were surprised when
things we hadn't ordered popped up.

And people who hadn't run X11 previously aren't running it on Leopard,
either.

> .  Someone *please* help me find a way to get this into the server (or
> at least X11.app in general) so that we can together work on it.

So you're thinking the cut-and-paste manager will live in a thread in
the server?  Neat idea.  I'll take a look.  I'd really love to get GNU
Emacs cut-and-paste working with the Apple clipboard.

Bill
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 >Fwd: Eliminating the xterm (From: "Nathaniel Gray" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Eliminating the xterm (From: "Nathaniel Gray" <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Eliminating the xterm (From: Peter Collinson <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Eliminating the xterm (From: Ben Byer <email@hidden>)

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