Re: Eliminating the xterm
Re: Eliminating the xterm
- Subject: Re: Eliminating the xterm
- From: Ben Byer <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 05:51:40 -0800
Ironically, the reason I chose to make xterm the default app for the
X11 launcher was specifically so that there *would* be a user-visible
result to running X11.app (aside from the icon, of course). We were
worried that people would be accustomed to double-clicking on /Apps/
Utils/X11.app in Tiger and having an xterm pop up (via the system
xinitrc), and that if that didn't happen with Leopard, they'd think it
was "broken". Oh, how silly that seems now...
I am a little confused, though, as to why we are trying to find a way
to preemptively launch the X server without starting a "real
program". Is this to avoid the .xinitrc / .Xresources race condition?
As for cut and paste -- oh, the fun we've had with cut and paste. Cut
and paste sucks in X11.app. Why?
1. Cut and paste kinda sucks in X11 in general, and this is a
generally agreed-upon fact in the X community. Yes, it generally
works, but it's unpredictable at best. There have been murmurings
about trying to fix that across-the-board -- and I'm first in line
when it comes to spearheading that -- but for whatever reason, it
still hasn't happened.
2. About half of the different permutations of cut and paste between
X11 and Aqua are "simple", in the sense that it's obvious what we want
to accomplish. Many of the rest are open to debate.
3. Most of the cut and paste magic happens within closed-source code
-- quartz-wm (hence the need for running 'quartz-wm --only-proxy).
This is stupid. The source for those bits of code is now up here -- https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13066
. Someone *please* help me find a way to get this into the server (or
at least X11.app in general) so that we can together work on it.
On Nov 10, 2007, at 2:27 AM, Peter Collinson wrote:
Hmm I wonder if it makes sense to start xclipboard as the 'default'
X11 app?
There was some discussion in this list a bit ago about the
desirability of running it to 'help' cut and paste..
On 10 Nov 2007, at 00:43, Nathaniel Gray wrote:
Oops! That should be app_to_run instead of app_to_launch.
-n8
On Nov 9, 2007 4:37 PM, Nathaniel Gray <email@hidden> wrote:
Just in case anybody else has the same question.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
you're free to launch X11.app by hand if you find the current
approach
problematic. Change the initial xterm to xlsfonts if you don't
like
having to close that window every time.
Can you explain how to do this? As far as I can tell, starting up
/usr/X11/bin/xterm is compiled into
/Applications/Utilities/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11
defaults write org.x.X11_launcher app_to_launch /usr/X11/bin/
xlsfonts
xlsclients might be an even better choice, since it doesn't hit the
filesystem or produce any output when you use it to launch the
server.
Cheers,
-n8
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