Re: Eliminating the xterm
Re: Eliminating the xterm
- Subject: Re: Eliminating the xterm
- From: Francisco De La Cruz <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:07:59 -0800
Ok, it is not that I don't want the xterm to launch (I actually want it), after all it is the only way to know that X11 is running.
It's just that I want it to honor my customizations in ~/.Xresources and if it does the same for my ~/.bash_profile great.
-f
On Saturday, November 10, 2007, at 05:52AM, "Ben Byer" <email@hidden> wrote:
>Ironically, the reason I chose to make xterm the default app for the
>X11 launcher was specifically so that there *would* be a user-visible
>result to running X11.app (aside from the icon, of course). We were
>worried that people would be accustomed to double-clicking on /Apps/
>Utils/X11.app in Tiger and having an xterm pop up (via the system
>xinitrc), and that if that didn't happen with Leopard, they'd think it
>was "broken". Oh, how silly that seems now...
>
>I am a little confused, though, as to why we are trying to find a way
>to preemptively launch the X server without starting a "real
>program". Is this to avoid the .xinitrc / .Xresources race condition?
>
>As for cut and paste -- oh, the fun we've had with cut and paste. Cut
>and paste sucks in X11.app. Why?
>1. Cut and paste kinda sucks in X11 in general, and this is a
>generally agreed-upon fact in the X community. Yes, it generally
>works, but it's unpredictable at best. There have been murmurings
>about trying to fix that across-the-board -- and I'm first in line
>when it comes to spearheading that -- but for whatever reason, it
>still hasn't happened.
>2. About half of the different permutations of cut and paste between
>X11 and Aqua are "simple", in the sense that it's obvious what we want
>to accomplish. Many of the rest are open to debate.
>3. Most of the cut and paste magic happens within closed-source code
>-- quartz-wm (hence the need for running 'quartz-wm --only-proxy).
>This is stupid. The source for those bits of code is now up here -- https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13066
>. Someone *please* help me find a way to get this into the server (or
>at least X11.app in general) so that we can together work on it.
>
>On Nov 10, 2007, at 2:27 AM, Peter Collinson wrote:
>
>> Hmm I wonder if it makes sense to start xclipboard as the 'default'
>> X11 app?
>>
>> There was some discussion in this list a bit ago about the
>> desirability of running it to 'help' cut and paste..
>>
>> On 10 Nov 2007, at 00:43, Nathaniel Gray wrote:
>>
>>> Oops! That should be app_to_run instead of app_to_launch.
>>>
>>> -n8
>>>
>>> On Nov 9, 2007 4:37 PM, Nathaniel Gray <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>> Just in case anybody else has the same question.
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> you're free to launch X11.app by hand if you find the current
>>>>>> approach
>>>>>> problematic. Change the initial xterm to xlsfonts if you don't
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> having to close that window every time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you explain how to do this? As far as I can tell, starting up
>>>>> /usr/X11/bin/xterm is compiled into
>>>>> /Applications/Utilities/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11
>>>>
>>>> defaults write org.x.X11_launcher app_to_launch /usr/X11/bin/
>>>> xlsfonts
>>>>
>>>> xlsclients might be an even better choice, since it doesn't hit the
>>>> filesystem or produce any output when you use it to launch the
>>>> server.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -n8
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>>>> -- Nathaniel Gray -- Caltech Computer Science ------>
>>>>>>> -- Mojave Project -- http://mojave.cs.caltech.edu -->
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>>>> -- Nathaniel Gray -- Caltech Computer Science ------>
>>>>>> -- Mojave Project -- http://mojave.cs.caltech.edu -->
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