Re: Eliminating the xterm
Re: Eliminating the xterm
- Subject: Re: Eliminating the xterm
- From: Francisco De La Cruz <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:13:01 -0800
Can you hypothesize about what can be causing this .xinitrc / .Xresources race condition?
I think it is at the root of it all.
-f
On Saturday, November 17, 2007, at 09:08AM, "Francisco De La Cruz" <email@hidden> wrote:
>Ok, it is not that I don't want the xterm to launch (I actually want it), after all it is the only way to know that X11 is running.
>It's just that I want it to honor my customizations in ~/.Xresources and if it does the same for my ~/.bash_profile great.
>
>-f
>
>On Saturday, November 10, 2007, at 05:52AM, "Ben Byer" <email@hidden> wrote:
>>Ironically, the reason I chose to make xterm the default app for the
>>X11 launcher was specifically so that there *would* be a user-visible
>>result to running X11.app (aside from the icon, of course). We were
>>worried that people would be accustomed to double-clicking on /Apps/
>>Utils/X11.app in Tiger and having an xterm pop up (via the system
>>xinitrc), and that if that didn't happen with Leopard, they'd think it
>>was "broken". Oh, how silly that seems now...
>>
>>I am a little confused, though, as to why we are trying to find a way
>>to preemptively launch the X server without starting a "real
>>program". Is this to avoid the .xinitrc / .Xresources race condition?
>>
>>As for cut and paste -- oh, the fun we've had with cut and paste. Cut
>>and paste sucks in X11.app. Why?
>>1. Cut and paste kinda sucks in X11 in general, and this is a
>>generally agreed-upon fact in the X community. Yes, it generally
>>works, but it's unpredictable at best. There have been murmurings
>>about trying to fix that across-the-board -- and I'm first in line
>>when it comes to spearheading that -- but for whatever reason, it
>>still hasn't happened.
>>2. About half of the different permutations of cut and paste between
>>X11 and Aqua are "simple", in the sense that it's obvious what we want
>>to accomplish. Many of the rest are open to debate.
>>3. Most of the cut and paste magic happens within closed-source code
>>-- quartz-wm (hence the need for running 'quartz-wm --only-proxy).
>>This is stupid. The source for those bits of code is now up here -- https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13066
>>. Someone *please* help me find a way to get this into the server (or
>>at least X11.app in general) so that we can together work on it.
>>
>>On Nov 10, 2007, at 2:27 AM, Peter Collinson wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm I wonder if it makes sense to start xclipboard as the 'default'
>>> X11 app?
>>>
>>> There was some discussion in this list a bit ago about the
>>> desirability of running it to 'help' cut and paste..
>>>
>>> On 10 Nov 2007, at 00:43, Nathaniel Gray wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oops! That should be app_to_run instead of app_to_launch.
>>>>
>>>> -n8
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 9, 2007 4:37 PM, Nathaniel Gray <email@hidden> wrote:
>>>>> Just in case anybody else has the same question.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> you're free to launch X11.app by hand if you find the current
>>>>>>> approach
>>>>>>> problematic. Change the initial xterm to xlsfonts if you don't
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> having to close that window every time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you explain how to do this? As far as I can tell, starting up
>>>>>> /usr/X11/bin/xterm is compiled into
>>>>>> /Applications/Utilities/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11
>>>>>
>>>>> defaults write org.x.X11_launcher app_to_launch /usr/X11/bin/
>>>>> xlsfonts
>>>>>
>>>>> xlsclients might be an even better choice, since it doesn't hit the
>>>>> filesystem or produce any output when you use it to launch the
>>>>> server.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -n8
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> -- Nathaniel Gray -- Caltech Computer Science ------>
>>>>>>>> -- Mojave Project -- http://mojave.cs.caltech.edu -->
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>>>> -- Nathaniel Gray -- Caltech Computer Science ------>
>>>>>>> -- Mojave Project -- http://mojave.cs.caltech.edu -->
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