Re: problems installing xquartz
Re: problems installing xquartz
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:18:58PM -0500, Brandon Allbery wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jim Graham <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 05:26:13PM -0500, Brandon Allbery wrote:
> > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Erik Olson <email@hidden> wrote:
> > >
> > > 90% of Apple users don't care about X11. The ones who do, well, 16
> > clicks
> > > is nothing compared to having to put up with X11 (*any* X11) afterward.
> >
> > How, then, do you run X11 apps?
>
> My point is that, as user interfaces go, X11 is pretty sucky. (There are
> very good reasons why there's a big push for Wayland.) Especially on OS X,
> I'm usually much happier using the native GUI; and on Linux the GUI
> experience just feels cobbled together --- which it is, because X11 is.
I have no idea what Wayland is, but I'm guessing it can handle things
like X11's ability to display windows (apps) running on a completely
different system, flexible window managers (I finally got used to the
default wm on OS X, so haven't changed the wm, but I COULD if I really
wanted to), and so on. And, FWIW, I like the UI on X11. I've been
using it since MIT released X11R4 on magnetic tapes.
> And on OS X, X11 will never integrate nicely with the native GUI. Wayland
> apparently has the potential to do so, due to being designed with a higher
> level approach, but X11 requires too many weird low level things that just
> plain do not fit into a modern UI design.
I'm not an X11 (or other GUI) developer...I'm an X11 user. And I don't
really see any real integration problem, except for the broken link from
the X11 clipboard to the OS X clipboard, and I wrote a quick Tcl/Tk hack
that fixes that for me. As it's written now, I just paste X11 stuff
into an entry widget, and then click a button, and it's copied over. If
I really wanted to, I could just as easily setup a client/server model,
where it would detect changes and copy them over automatically, but
it works, and as the old saying goes, "don't fix it if it ain't
broke"....
My native GUI apps run just fine. So do my X11 apps. Of course, I've
been refusing an upgrade to OS X Lion after the last one, where it
removed a few apps I'd installed (e.g., Seamonkey...which, at the time,
was my default browser---using Opera now since Seamonkey insisted on
ignorinng Adobe Flash being already installed...repeatedly, and Opera
doesn't ignore it). That royally p*ssed me off, since it did not ask
me for permission, nor did it even bother to TELL me...it just assumed
that I wanted it to do that (and you know what they say about assuming
things). So the native OS X side isn't exactly perfect, either (I
consider that misbehavior pretty serious)..
With that, it's time to head for an appointment at my oncologist's
office....
Later,
--jim
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