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Re: Subversion database corruption
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Re: Subversion database corruption


  • Subject: Re: Subversion database corruption
  • From: Bill Bumgarner <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:21:27 -0700

On Aug 4, 2005, at 3:25 PM, Andy Lee wrote:
On Aug 3, 2005, at 1:36 PM, Bill Bumgarner wrote:
I had a similar problem with Berkeley DB eating my subversion repository. After speaking with the subversion developers about it, I switched to the FSFS backend on all my repositories and have not had another problem like it.
At least not a problem you know about. My boss pointed me to this page: <http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch05.html#svn-ch-5- sect-1.3>. It seems to suggest that the reason the FSFS backend doesn't get wedged by corrupted data is because it doesn't *detect* it. Sounds to me like the version-control equivalent of compiling with warnings turned off.

Or is that a mischaracterization?

Misinterpretation, I believe.

The "sensitivity to interruptions" means "how badly are you hosed when someone yanks the power cord". BDB, like a lot of databases, tends to be fairly sensitive to such events. The FSFS is designed to be a bit more robust in the face of catastrophic failures by sacrificing a bit of performance. In practice, this seems to mostly translate to slower initial checkouts, but the operating speed from that point on seems to be quite acceptable.

To be utterly fair, the Berkeley DB corruption problems encountered with Subversion is greatly exacerbated, potentially entirely caused by, the misuse of the BDB APIs by Subversion.

If anyone is looking for a decent db-backed code revision system, take a look at monotone:

Monotone looks pretty interesting. So does Arch. But "db-backed" isn't really a feature that is relevant to the implementation of a revision control system. That is, whether or not the revision control system uses a database, a proprietary file format or flat files is only relevant in how difficult it is to recovery files from a totally hosed repository. One of the very few advantages (only? :-) of CVS is that the files in the repository were quite easy to parse/recover.


Now, the whole distributed repository idea does seem pretty interesting. Personally, I'm investigating SVK which is a distributed repository layer on top of a standard Subversion installation.

I keep coming back to Subversion, though, because the development team is terribly smart, dedicated, and well funded. I don't really have a need for distributed repositories, but that is a reflection of the kind of development I'm doing. I can definitely see how it would be incredibly useful for distributed development that is often common to various open source projects or other kinds of similar development methodologies.

Perhaps one of the biggest advantages to SVK is that it removes the repository metadata from your workarea. And if I understand it correctly, it treats the work area as an opaque collection, thus removing any weirdness associated with managing NIBs, Keynote/Pages documents, Core Data models, and any other directory-is-a-file kinds of data.

b.bum
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References: 
 >Subversion database corruption (From: Daniel Jalkut <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Subversion database corruption (From: Bill Bumgarner <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Subversion database corruption (From: Andy Lee <email@hidden>)

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