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plea! (was Re: Two enhancement requests)
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  • Subject: plea! (was Re: Two enhancement requests)
  • From: Roy Lovejoy <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 22:33:27 -0700


On May 8, 2005, at 9:56 PM, Chris Espinosa wrote:

On May 8, 2005, at 9:44 PM, Larry Gerndt wrote:


1. Syntax Coloring - Be able to syntax-color both system-defined API's (Carbon and Cocoa) and user-defined symbols (functions, classnames, and methods).


2. Editor - Be able to special-click to select subwords.


Larry, thanks for the support.  

Enhancement of syntax coloring is oft-requested, probably the most requested enhancement.  


This is not an XCode bash by any means.. This is simply a plea to make the transition to XCode a pleasurable experience, and not one filled with depression & regret...


You guys do know that you would gain 100% mindshare if you offered as complete a "virtual codewarrior" as you could.. (alternate UI/ window grouping/key binding etc)

Some of us have lived & breathed by metrowerks IDE, since we lived & breathed by Think C before it.. (and Think Pascal.. and TML Pascal...)

despite all the way-cool _engineering_ features in XCode, and the hand-glove fit of IB/Cocoa/XCode, to a majority of Codewarrior folk, XCode just feels... 'wrong' to a "project thinking" developer..

hard to put a precise finger on it, but my vague, 'from the hip assessment' is that XCode feels more like Visual Studio, than it does any mac program on the market..

key bindings are an obviously good, high traffic step, though when I selected those, very few actual binding analogs were changed (see other posting).. I had to hand-enter all my beloved, decade-old, muscle memory strokes..

the whole concept of 'project manager' in XCode may be much more 'powerful' or 'liberating', but again, to me, it screams 'thinly veiled make file'.. In Codewarrior I had infinite control on how I group my source files, association by function, etc.. (Hiding third party source completely). Please tell me I'm missing something, because now, all the sources are grouped into ONE "Sources" hierarchy??? I have to sift through all the third party stuff next to my source??

another quick anecdote is that I've just started a contract where the folks are pretty fresh with XCode themselves.. I couldn't figure out why their nibs weren't in their final build, as they were in (what I considered to be) the 'project'..

turns out they were in the "Nib file group", but not in their "Bundle Resource" build phase..

this thoroughly confused this veteran mac developer (circa 1984), as it begs the obvious question, why would a nib be *in* a project but not be "IN" a project..

(okay, i can see some low-traffic possibilities, but i would think by _default_ they would be..)

I don't know if Codewarrior 'coddled' the developer, or just had it's defaults magically set up to do what the developer wanted 95% of the time, (so it just _seemed_ to always do the right thing the first time), and left the 5% to be later edited by hand. (as opposed to what feels like XCode not doing anything by default, and leaving 100% to be hand tweaked).

it _seems_ like XCode is powerful enough and flexible enough to present the project information in a myriad of ways..

i'm just asking for a little bit of 'emulated' sanity for us metrowerks expatriots, "on the side", "as an alternate", etc.. once we understand the infinite power, THEN let us flip to the 'native' mode...

there was a _reason_ why folks used metrowerks (and think c) over MPW all those years... :-)


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