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Re: Apple's Tools Strategy [was: Accessing function definitions Radar]
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Re: Apple's Tools Strategy [was: Accessing function definitions Radar]


  • Subject: Re: Apple's Tools Strategy [was: Accessing function definitions Radar]
  • From: Laurence Harris <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:50:26 -0400

I'm not going to respond to individual points because this is just arrogant rambling from someone who almost sounds like he's stoned. I will say, however, that using a Mac to write software doesn't make you a developer of Mac software or the author of the kind of software that motivated Mac users to choose the Mac. That takes a different kind of knowledge and depth of understanding than it does to spout off how much experience you have on completely different platforms. I've played with more than one application that someone created by wrapping Cocoa around some Unix application and I can tell right away the guy doesn't understand how to write a real Mac application. Worse, he probably doesn't have enough sense to even realize what he doesn't know.

Larry

On Oct 28, 2006, at 4:02 PM, David Walters wrote:


On 29/10/2006, at 4:30 AM, Laurence Harris wrote:


On Oct 28, 2006, at 12:56 PM, David Walters wrote:

EVERY SINGLE THING I missed about VS was actually tucked away in Xcode. I was up and running with it in MINUTES, there's a testament to the Mac people.

What, that they make Windows VS developers comfortable in Xcode?


Debug Visualisers and Intelli$ense, add some sort of schema builder for showing the boss what the data warehouse looks like, and it's all over.


Well, Anjuta is really lovely, I was able to port to Gnome with Glade in about a week, last month, when I built a linux box (with ubuntu) to run a port on (that was with un-staticising all my initialisation and other m$ c++ bits and pieces that needed to go) - I'd say that I represent intel developers.

(and when millions of voices whispered, "did you say gcc4 with auto mp?" - i was one of them)

With all due respect, it sounds like you have little to no experience as a Mac developer.

Not for long, I turned off my pc. Plenty of experience as an Intel developer though. You know, gcc/subversion? Or X11/Gnome/Glade? What about apache/java/php, perl/regex, it's a big list... and there's so many of us. Look at widgets, what they mean when every kid who's into this stuff learns html/javascript as a first language.


such people and their products are not driving force behind the Mac's success,

We are now. We all have IPods too you know. CodeWarrior-what? All of that is gone. Hope you know XML.


If we don't provide state of the art, compelling products whenever we can the Mac will cease to be compelling as a platform,

I agree with this bit.

and the kind of products you describe do not sound like products that will attract people to the Mac from other platforms.

Larry

I have spent a lot of time describing Xcode, and I've heard how you don't like it, but Dude - these are the world's most stunningly sexy linux boxes, they can do ANYTHING!! And now they are so cheap it's raining macs. And they never crash. This is an upgrade- tsunami. This is the revolution! And *nix won!


And to re-iterate, we all love the standard library, and we all love mouse-wavability. Visualisers and Intelli$ense - that's all it takes, and we're hooked (well I'm hooked already).

To you, Code-Warrior, at sea level, it is just a big wave. You can swim.

From the Intel Ivory Tower, from the Visual Studio, we see the inevitability.
You can drive an M$ sql server over rdp with a mac. Or a TS desktop... what was that? Enterprise mySQL? Open Source, you say? On an operating system developed by scientists, at a university for forty odd years? That BSD?


								DISSOLVE.

		1c.	A  HILLTOP IN THE WASTELAND.	DAY.

			A warrior, dressed in leather and steel, stands on a
			hill crest.  This is MAX.  Behind him is a strange road
			vehicle:  two engines and a seat mounted on a chassis.

								NARRATOR  V/O
					But, most of all, I remember the
					courage of a stranger, a road
					warrior called Max.  To understand
					who he was you must go back to the
					last days of the old world ...

											FADE TO BLACK.


;)

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