Re: Xcode - An Apple Embarrassment
Re: Xcode - An Apple Embarrassment
- Subject: Re: Xcode - An Apple Embarrassment
- From: Stephane Sudre <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:57:49 +0100
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Andrew Satori <email@hidden> wrote:
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> Spend some quality time with Embarcadero's RadStuido XE2. It will frequently get into an issue where the debugger will fail to exit. The only option is to restart Windows. In Visual Studio, yes it rarely causes the system to hang, but it's not unusual at all for it's syntax highlighting get completely out of sorts, and I have a solution that I can load that I can reliably build and debug about 3 times before VS gets confused about dependancies and starts to block with unable to write file errors. I have the same issues in other platforms as I do in Xcode, and I feel that I push all of them pretty hard, with large workspaces that contain multiple projects with multiple dependancies.
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> I don't care what IDE you want to talk about, they all break when we push them in unexpected ways, and as developers, we tend to push tools to fit our workflows, not to conform to theirs. I think if you look at your problems, and get serious about understanding them, you will find that you are creating some of your own problems. I know that every single serious 'flaw' I have found in Xcode 4 has been where I have been forcing a behavior. Learning to relax and go with it, I have found Xcode 4 to be very productive, and I haven't crashed it once in the last 2 weeks.
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> It is all about what you make of it. You can fight it, or you can resist change and force it. I spend every single day with RadSTudio, Visual Studio and Xcode all three up and running, usually compiling the exact same code. It has taken a good bit of patience to get things to a place where that wasn't painful, and I cannot point to any one of those IDE's as being better or worse in terms of bugs. I have been bitten by all of them in different ways.
I totally agree with you, issues can be found in every single IDE. If
someone is facing an issue with an IDE, the workaround is easy and
cheap: add a bumper around your computer.
More seriously, I didn't get the impression that most of the problems
reported in this thread are related to forcing the behavior of Xcode.
But I could be wrong as I still spend most of my time in Project Buil…
ahem… Xcode 3.2.something.
> To sit here and kvetch that Apple is doing wrong is, IMO, inappropriate. Can they do better? yes, and specific suggestions on specific things is productive, but a general, Xcode sucks position, Xcode crashes 10 times a day doesn't help much.
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> "It's Broke" is absolutely worthless, as you should well know as a commercial developer. You want good bug reports, file good bug reports, work WITH Apple to fix it, document your workarounds, share with the community. In short, contribute to fixing things.
Also there used to be a xcode-feedback e-mail address in the past.
It's probably still working and the guys who are/were reading it
do/did care about their product.
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