Re: Let's hope XP doesn't keep this "one-up" on OS X!
Re: Let's hope XP doesn't keep this "one-up" on OS X!
- Subject: Re: Let's hope XP doesn't keep this "one-up" on OS X!
- From: Tyler LaGrange <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:57:49 -0400
I almost hate chiming in to these off topic things - but I feel like
this "feature" is being a little distorted. Yes - it is VERY true that
a multi-user system is wonderful in work environments, and school, and
even family, but OSX already has that. Even OS 9 has that. This
discussion is apparently about the idea of having the need for
"hot-swapping" these sessions. This REALLY only applies to the family
scenario in the above 3 examples. Both at school and work this would
not make sense EVER. Why would a user stay logged in while other people
log in on top of them? That is just not a good idea in that
environment - and seems like it would NEVER be useful there. I can't
think of one good example there.
So the only situation that seems to benefit from this thing is the
family thing - and honestly I don't think this will come up very often.
Of course there are a couple people out there that this applies to, but
is it worth all the system level support and other things a developer
will have to worry about to provide this kind of feature? There are so
many other things out there I am sure we would rather have Apple work
on. I'm guessing less than 5% of all users would ever use this feature
once - and probably less than 1% would use it regularly. Of course I'm
making those numbers up - but there really aren't enough real world
scenarios that force this type of "hot-swapping" to be a "killer-app".
HOWEVER - I do think that making OSX remember your session is a good
idea. I don't like having to quit all my apps when I go to log out -
and then having to go through and get everything back to where it was.
That piece of this argument should be treated separately.
Multi-User is good. "Hot Swapping" Multi-User is not really worth
having this big discussion about. Having the OS remember what you were
doing - and perhaps run processes after being logged out - that is
something we need better support for.
Somebody else on here pointed it out just great. If it is a quick email
check or web browsing session, they don't need to have the entire OS
configured instantly over to their preferences. They just want to see
if they got an email and then let you get back to work. Having all
their other stuff load up is just overhead we don't need.
If this is the only thing that XP has that is a "benefit" over OSX then
I think we are all in good shape.
- Tyler
On Thursday, July 5, 2001, at 03:34 PM, Ryan Dary wrote:
Scott,
For you, just create one account at the Admin level and set the
automatic login. Then use that one account ALL the time for you and
all your friends and family. You will not be bombarded with any
multi-user stuff if you do that. You will however have to find
multi-user/profile software for your email needs (or any other per-user
settings applications) unless you intend to have one inbox for everyone.
What is it about the multi-user system that you dislike? Obviously for
a single user it can be unnecessary, however for most
families/offices/schools where more than one person is likely to be
using the same computer it is an ideal solution.
Besides any concerns you have against using a multi-user environment,
this feature is still very desired. It just wouldn't affect those who
don't use it.
- Ryan
On Thursday, July 5, 2001, at 09:56 AM, email@hidden wrote:
Let's bring it back the other way for a sec.
Personally, I very much dislike the multi-user crap in OSX
altogether. I
think as with any good user interface, there should be a way to turn it
off.
(i.e. no references to root anywhere.) I constantly live in fear that
my
OSX partition is going to be "fixed" by Norton again and I'll lose all
my
"user settings", auto login, etc. and I'll be stuck without knowing the
root
password again. Unix...
I can do the whole scenario below under OS9 right now without having to
switch user accounts, etc.
But, I can see the value of the feature for people concerned about
multi-user setups, but what about the little guy ;)
Scott
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