Re: OSX Programmer Needed $400
Re: OSX Programmer Needed $400
- Subject: Re: OSX Programmer Needed $400
- From: "xor and" <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 01:44:10 -0700
your not going to find a career here, on the forums, steve.
I am funding this from my own empty wallet.
but the biggest factor concerning the price...........
The engine has already been ported to OSX!!!
So, although it would take Steve 2 weeks,
It would take a experienced OSX programmer about a day, or two.
From: email@hidden
To: Steve Ehrenfried <email@hidden>
CC: email@hidden
Subject: Re: OSX Programmer Needed $400
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:46:59 -0700
On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 09:36:39PM -0800, Steve Ehrenfried wrote:
> --- email@hidden wrote:
> > Really? All game programmers on the mac make more
> > than $100K?!? Maybe
> > I *ought* to reconsider being a sysad! Or do you
> > have to move to
> > Silicon Valley? Boise's pretty nice, so I dunno...
>
>
> Not quite the point. First of all, game programmers
> are paid less than a non-game programmer with a
> similar level of experience/skill because it's
> considered by the powers that be that game programming
> is more "fun" than updating a payroll program for
> Safeway, or some such.
Huh. Every thing I've read says that game programmers are generally the
ones required to work 22hour marathons, 7 days a week. When I worked at
Albertsons, you can be daggon sure none of the payroll people were
putting in that sort of time :-)
> Re-read the ad. The person is obviously looking for a
> senior level programmer (previous experience with Mac
> OS X, OpenGl/3d graphics, USB/HID, Windows porting),
> and the job sounds like at least 40-80 hours of work,
> probably more. So, no matter where you live in the US,
> you'd be lucky to get a rate between $5 and $10 hours,
> which might not be too bad if you live in Bangalore or
> Czech Republic. However, if you live in the US, you'd
> be better off financially working for $12/hour with
> benefits at Starbucks, though you'd be working with a
> different kind of cocoa at Starbucks. ;-)
It was the 'make more than that in 1 day' portion that generated my
response...
> Sorry if I sound jaded, but I think expectations
> should be set at a reasonable level. This is important
> so that the best and brightest programmers can
> continue to get the kind of pay they deserve, and thus
> can continute to keep the art alive and progressing,
> instead of having to leave the profession to get a
> real estate license so they can feed their kids. This
> issue is more real than you might think. Besides, I
> just hate low-ballers.
Hey, it's his right to low-ball, and it's your right to negotiate.
That's what I tell my boss around eval time, anyways :-)
> That said, if you think a grand total of $400 is
> reasonable pay for 1-2 weeks (perhaps more) of Mac OS
> X programming, then perhaps you should contact the
> poster.
Well, I'd probably do it for the experience (and in fact had someone
email me by accident in response to this ad, who offered to do it for
free), but even at $400 I'd be ripping him off B-) Maybe later, after I
have a bit more real-world programming under my belt.
D.A.Bishop
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