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Re: Call for user feedback
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Re: Call for user feedback


  • Subject: Re: Call for user feedback
  • From: Henrik Holmegaard <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:11:38 +0100

OK, time the 'RGB working space' confusion which is breaking the workflow.

Subsetting mechanism : The 'ColorSync Profile' (: Monitor Profile) scrollbox (: popup) in the Monitors control panel shows the user all class <mntr> profiles in the ColorSync Profiles folder (one nesting level deep).

Problem : Adobe is classifying synthetic RGB interchange spaces as type <mntr> monitor spaces. Users are presented with these spaces by the Mac OS monitor profile selection mechanism.

ICC Specification : The three classes of device profile (: input, monitor and output) are seen by many more applications than the non-device profiles (space, link, abstract and named color). Of the three classes of device profile only the monitor profile is both source and destination and optionally matrix-based. Of the non-device classes the <spac> class requires that the profile be LUT-based and work as both source and destination.

Interpretation / decision strategy : The Photoshop folks want RGB interchange profiles with a single gamma in all three channels so that you can do in RGB much of what you can do in LCh. In terms of the ICC Specification monitor profiles are defined as matrix-based with LUTs as an option. So the Pshop folks pick <mntr> as the obvious class for their non-monitor RGB spaces, and they pick a profile in the device class (: input, monitor and output) in the first place because those are the three classes most widely recognised by applications.

Confusion : See 'subsetting mechanism' above and now also that CMYK profiles are being called 'working spaces', though ironically printer profiles are legal only if they come with LUTs.

Solution 1 : Adobe obviously doesn't intend it's non-monitor RGB interchange spaces to be what Adobe says they are, that is, monitor spaces. Joseph (I think he's away from his mail and can't answer - maybe Dan or Franz will help out) was saying a while back that well-designed matrix-based spaces obviate the LUT-based color space conversion class of profile. Maybe the ICC specification can be amended to allow both matrix-based and LUT-based profiles as class <spac>.

Solution 2: If solution (1) is unacceptable maybe the ICC specification can be amended to allow matrix-based RGB profiles into a new class of their own which might be called 'Interchange'.

First Apple introduces the VCGT white point and gamma tag in ColorSync 2.5 without asking any other ICC members, but with the laudable aim of curbing the Knoll gamma tool.

Then Adobe introduces the 'RGB working space' concept without squaring with others, but with the laudable aim of moving RGB workflows from monitor RGB to interchange RGB.

Morale : It's better to make things work across the board than make them work only in one's own application -:).

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Henrik Holmegaard
TechWrite, Denmark


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