Re: No More RGB/Taking a CMYK delivery on
Re: No More RGB/Taking a CMYK delivery on
- Subject: Re: No More RGB/Taking a CMYK delivery on
- From: Roger Breton <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:06:53 -0400
John,
I can see now that there are places in the workflow where embedded
profiles
should be ignored,
That should only be a very interim situtation. If at all. IMO.
but that only means that it's the printer's
responsibility to make sure that they ARE ignored when it's
appropriate to
do so.
Absolutely. It's not the designer or the photographer to educate
printers about color management -- it's the world upside down (we say
in french).
Why do others have to conclude that it's wrong to embed a CMYK
profile, just so that there's LESS chance that the printer can screw
it up?
To protect against ignorance.
To pick an extreme example, doesn't it come in handy at some point, if
a
conversion was made with newsprint in mind, that there's a profile
attached
to indicate that intent?
Absolutely. Amen to that. And that's precisely what's happening with
PDF/X1a -- it's mandatory that a CMYK Output ICC profile specifying the
"intent" of the job be embedded in the PDF! It's called the
"OutputIntent". As more and more design and advertising houses switch
over to PDF, this idea of submitting jobs in some PDF 'standard' is
going to help, indirectly, promote better understanding of ICC color
management. I'd be curious what is the experience with members of this
List that have adopted a PDF "Workflow" like Creo Prinergy or
Heidelberg PrintReady as far as color management is concerned.
If that file winds up being printed on newsprint,
all would be fine without a profile. But if the file goes elsewhere,
hopefully someone will notice how bad it is and the guessing begins.
If the
picture is abstract, there's no hope of guessing correctly.
You're right again.
I haven't had it happen yet, but I never want to hear that a job was
printed
poorly because a profile was embedded. Yet, I've seen plenty of cases
where
the opposite was true. Maybe I'm naive,
You're actually very perceptive.
but by now I expect professionals to
understand when to use them and when not to based on where that person
is in
the chain.
It's a big expectations. But that is becoming the norm rather than the
exception -- worldwide.
Yet there's this opposition to embedding,
For absolutely subjective reasons. IMO. But I nderstand we have to
hedge our bets and in reality it's impossible to always predict what's
going to happen with the job, in whose capable or incapable hands the
job will land.
and the blame shifting
has found it's way right up the line into Adobe's default CMYK
settings for
CS: don't preserve and don't embed. We're going backwards.
Yeah. That's a very unfortunate turn of events. Who's to blame at Adobe
for this?
john c.
Roger Breton
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