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Re: FOGRA39 released
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Re: FOGRA39 released


  • Subject: Re: FOGRA39 released
  • From: Steve Upton <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:16:41 -0800

Title: Re: FOGRA39 released
At 12:08 AM +0000 12/29/06, Martin Orpen wrote:
On 28 Dec 2006, at 19:21, Steve Upton wrote:
My understanding is that the ISO is not happy with this naming convention and I have heard some confusion in the user community about these being the 'definitive' ISO profiles.

They are good profiles (historically) but we should be careful about them being promoted (even unintentionally) as the definitive profiles of the ISO. Perhaps something like ECI Coated v2 (ISO) instead?

Interesting comment Steve, but what are you saying here?
Are there more "definitive" ISO profiles?

Well, what I meant was that it appears as though the ISO itself defined them (or at least sanctioned them), which it did not. The ECI created them based on FOGRA data that was created according to ISO standard(s). The danger of having people think that they come FROM the ISO is that there is some sort of implicit guarantee, etc. put forth by the ISO.

So they are, first and foremost, ECI profiles. Again, they're good profiles but they are not the ISO's profiles and any other group that created & shared profiles based on the same data would have some confusion (or create confusion) naming them.


Or do you prefer the profile names to be the result of a more straightforward business transaction like Euroscale or Eurostandard?

Or more like SWOP - which is whatever a bunch of blokes in a room agree it should be?

well, the TR001 dataset was actually much better defined than that. The SWOP system certification is a different issue entirely but was still based on printed sheets that fit designated print specs.... but that's all water under the bridge now that IDEAlliance is redefining the entire certification process.


I'm in the "user community" and I'm confused...

sorry about that, didn't want to create more confusion!

It may seem like splitting hairs but when dealing with large numbers of profiles and concerned about naming conventions, standard print conditions and so forth, it comes up as an important issue.

To answer the (possibly forthcoming) question: "But why would you want to create additional 'ISO' profiles when the ECI has already done it?" I can offer at least one answer: Black generation - it's handy to have a suite of profiles with different black generation levels for different image types, etc...

I realize that I didn't offer a naming convention to replace it but perhaps this will prompt discussion to come up with something.

Hope that clears things up.

Regards,

Steve



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