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Re: Who does the seperations?
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Re: Who does the seperations?


  • Subject: Re: Who does the seperations?
  • From: Bob Marchant <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:40:37 +0000


On 30 Dec 2006, at 15:18, Ray Maxwell wrote:





All of this discussion of naming CMYK separation profiles brings up a underling problem in our industry.


Hi Ray .


Let's go back to "the good ole days"...

A photographer shot a transparency.


But now a photographer is more than likely going to be shooting digitally.




A prepress house made separations (film and proof) knowing the press and paper that was going to be used.



But then they started to rely automated scanners and just used the presets . And they got completely confused when photographers started to supply digital images.



The printer printed the job and matched the proof.


Often a proof that didn't really match the printing conditions, so it was often a struggle .



The Ideallience has set a standard for shipping photographic files. It is RGB not CMYK.



But that's just the Idea alliance. They don't speak for all photographers , or their clients.



The only person who can do a good separation is the person who knows the characteristics of the press, paper, and ink.



The question is , just who is that person ? You may have guessed by now , but I'm speaking from the photographers side of the fence. If I had a dollar / euro / pound for every time I've been given the press spec from one of our enlightened repro houses that goes "CMYK JPEG at 300 dpi " I'd have made enough to give up photography by now. If I 'd got another dollar/euro/pound for every time that had been followed by the comment "we just use the default cmyk conversion in PhotoShop for conversion " , I'd have bought the boat and gone cruising.



So I ask...Should the photographer make a separation?


Why not ? Given the correct profile ( or building his / her own profiles using the relevant data) this is perfectly feasible , and in reality it is often a task carried out with much more loving care and attention than it might receive from a third party.. In my sector of the business ( colour critical advertising photography ) , it's something that we do as a matter of course on a day to day basis.



When did it become the photographer's job to do separations?


Three answers :

a) ever since our clients asked us to supply digital files in CMYK , refusing RGB 'cos "it never printed properly"
or
b)ever since the digital photographer couldn't trust prepress to get it right because they didn't know how to handle RGB files properly , usually either ignoring or stripping out the embedded profiles and using PhotoShop Version 4 for their separations.
or
c) ever since our clients saw the huge advantage in being able to sign off a photographic job on the day of the shoot , having made their critical colour / saturation decisions and walked away with an ISO certifiable proof of the images.



Who has all the information to do a top notch separation? Is it the photorgrapher or the printer?



Knowledge is the key , not the profession.


What happened to the prepress house and their highly skilled scanner operators and separators?



Now there's a good question. When we started supplying digital images back in the mid nineties , we had no end of trouble finding anybody that we could have a meaningful talk with concerning just how we could all work together in this new completely digital workflow.



What are your thoughts?


At the time our thoughts were to attempt to rationalise a fragmented supply chain. So we started the learning curve as to just what was happening to our precious images when they left us , and to try and fix it.

As a result , back in the year 2000, the Digital Imaging Group of the Association of Photographers produced a simple set of best practice guidelines for the supply of digital images . It recommended the implementation of robust and transparent non proprietary colour management using ICC profiles , and provided information about file formats, compression , "read me"s etc. We produced this in consultation with the Advertising Pre Press Association and the Institute of Practitioners in Advertising here in the UK. Since then there have been other initiatives from photographers including the UpDig guidelines and the IQA guidelines . These were all produced by volunteers and are made freely available on the web. We worked with other bodies such as the PPA on other projects (BTW for those familiar with pass4press and pic4press , you'll probably have noted the move to ISO standards ) .

During the course of this , many of us bought CM hardware and software in order to attempt to fully understand all of the issues. The Association of Photographers bit the bulllet , and let our company build separation profiles for photographers to use when supplying images for their promotional yearbook. We were privileged to work with Butler and Tanner on this and the efforts were well worthwhile. After some initial grumbling by some of the photographers at having to supply press ready images , this turned out to be a huge success when they realised that now given the right tools ,they could have positive control over the repro of their images .

So , when it comes to who does the separations , it comes down to who is best suited at the time . Given the right information , it's not a job specific task . We all know that knowledge is power , and because of this there has been a tendency for a bit of "smoke and mirrors" to encroach on reasoned thinking in the past . But now the cat is out of the bag , and we've got to all work together to get the best results irrespective of traditional job description.

And to put that into perspective , let me leave you all with the comforting thought that there are many highly respected colour management consultants out there who originally come from an entirely photographic background ( in Europe , Neil Barstow and Thomas Holm to name but two ) and who regularly advise press and pre press houses on how to get the consistent and accurate results. Could this be anything to do with their lifelong passion for the quality of the photography from its very inception right through to press ?

Regards,

Bob Marchant.



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