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Re: Who does the seperations?
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Re: Who does the seperations?


  • Subject: Re: Who does the seperations?
  • From: "john castronovo" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 06:36:43 -0500

I usually follow your approach Marco, but just today we did a few drum scans for an agency and they requested CMYK files. I probed a little bit to discover that the end use was display prints for a trade show booth and the display house was going to print them, and I knew that if I supplied SWOP I'd be limiting the result. The original films were very colorful and full of deep blues that stood the chance of going purple if someone simply clicked on "Convert to CMYK" as I was instructed to do by the AD.

"This is all we ever do", I was told. I suggested that they send my RGB files with a written note to honor my embedded profiles because only the person running the printer knew how to do this best. I'm hoping for a good result which is 50/50 chance.

Who knew if the display house was using anything from a Lambda or Lightjet with photo materials, a flat bed solvent printer or an Epson? I couldn't even find out which country it was going to be printed in. People who run Lambdas say that the usual submission is SWOP in spite of the fact that they print RGB because designers are convinced that all printing requires that one click to cmyk with prepress defaults.

john


----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Ugolini"
In a message dated 1/2/07 1:54 PM, Lee Blevins wrote:

There's still a lot of mystique surrounding CMYK separations.

As a color separator of more than 30 years experience I'd have to say there probably is a lot of mystique. Some of it is just luck.

I want to state with all due clarity and respect that in no way my comment
was meant to disparage the work of experienced and competent separators like
Mr. Blevins.


It's just that in the real world, in the real situations that one encounters
when, for example, separating a press-bound job that will end up on some
packaging that will be printed by Who-Knows-Who in the country of
Who-Knows-Where with a press made by the Go-Figure Corporation, printed with
Mystery Inks on Inscrutable Paper, one realizes that the best one can do is
educated guesswork.


It's my sense, from many years working in this country, that when one says
"CMYK" here, more often than not the implication is "SWOP", meaning the set
of expectations that the acronym represents (a standard? a specification? a
piece of advice? it's still not completely clear, but clear enough for a
start). "SWOP" seems to be the expectation, whether the job actually ends on
a web press or on sheetfed, and once the image is in that ballpark, people
downstream seem to know what to do with it, most of the time.


Once that is understood, the guesswork gets narrowed to just a few
decisions, mostly involving black generation, TAC, dot gain, one-color
blacks, pure inks and a few other factors. And most of these can be
considered properly addressed indirectly through a carefully color-managed
workflow, possibly including device link profiles, and certainly a round of
proofs from either a RIP-based inkjet or some other non-film-based system,
knowing that we are providing an achievable visual target.


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