Re: DDC broken in 10.5.6?
Re: DDC broken in 10.5.6?
- Subject: Re: DDC broken in 10.5.6?
- From: "edmund ronald" <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:11:41 +0100
Derrick -
You are -as always- going out of your way to help users.
As a third-party app provider this is good business, and also you're
just being nice.
However, the cycle in general is getting tiresome: Apple or Adobe
update, and the users end up in a mess. Then the fingerpointing
starts. Because there is no clear way to say who is right and who is
wrong. And until someone admits that they are wrong (even if it's
possible that they are right) nothing gets fixed. See the recent mess
with Epson Apple and Adobe and printer profile application.
When the mains fail in my house, I can pull out a voltmeter and chase
the problem. If there's no voltage at the meter it's the utility, else
it's a fuse, else it's a wire etc. Why can't the CMS companies agree
on a suite of tests which need to be applied whenever an update occurs
and which validates the update ?
Edmund
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Derrick Brown
<email@hidden> wrote:
> Edmund ,
>
> always SO nice to hear from you.
>
> want the short answer?
>
> The "list" of companies that ARE following the quote standards is short.
> we would love it if all followed the same protocols. they dont.
> That means hardware and software makers.
>
> you could then actually create such a diagnostic.
> until they do, you cannot! also get the computer companies to agree NOT to
> ignore these issues up front , instead of letting the horse out of the barn
> this will continue.
>
> in order to have your perfect world you would need the video card companies
> and monitor companies and the computer to all agree on how these calls will
> happen. they dont.
> an OS update comes out and we ALL find out the hard way.
>
> so what i get to do? install this update and start finding out which
> machines in which configs break. this involves putting machines out of
> commission just to find out what "undocumented" fix is coming this way this
> time.
> so far, i find this only happening on PPC configs.
> Maybe I shouldnt follow up next time on what started with only one user
> here, about three days ago . Thank you Doyle, i sincerely do appreciate
> your heads up.
> Edmund, I'll let you find out yrslf the hard way.
> Then you can re-image your own machines because nobody wanted to come on
> here and save you some time.
>
> Profit??? HA! hardly. im one of many taking the calls on why this all of
> the sudden doesnt work. How would you call chasing down "what happened now
> " profiting?
>
> Whats funny about this, and maybe this would be a good time to say
> this.................
>
> One such company that "doesnt adhere to the laughable "standard" is EIZO.
> its events just like this that i would have to say I support their
> insightful reason to NOT adhere to the "Standard" to avoid just this type
> of support havoc they would fall into.
>
> this argument you wish to start has NOTHING to do with color management
> companies, period! they fall victim to it by finding out AFTER the computer
> companies pull the trigger.
> Point your frustration where it belongs. color management still thought of
> AFTER everything else.
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2008, at 3:29 PM, edmund ronald wrote:
>
>> Derrick,
>>
>> Enough!
>> Everyone in the color industry refuses to implement diagnostic tools.
>> Then when something doesn't work it is always someone else's fault -
>> Adobe, Apple, Integrated Color, Xrite.
>>
>> Why can't the DDC specs for the monitors be public and documented ?
>> Instead you and other companies profit from the good "private"
>> relationships that you have with the monitor makers which allow you
>> access to the SDKs.
>>
>> Why can't there be a clear pass/fail test to see whether an
>> application is applying CMS correctly, with the apposite profiles and
>> rendering ?
>>
>> Why is there no test tool that would allow a user to verify whether a
>> profile is being applied correctly to the data being sent to an inkjet
>> printer ?
>>
>> There is a general complacency in the color industry, that such tools
>> are not necessary. It's not quite a conspiracy, but almost. Now you
>> claim Apple has "broken" DDC with the latest update. I'm quite willing
>> to believe that, but seeing that the DDC behavior of monitors is not
>> fully documented, you and others are now in a bad position to claim
>> that it is broken.
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>>
>>>
>
> Derrick Brown
> Integrated Color Corporation
> 81 Rogers Street
> N. Billerica, MA 01862
>
> tel: 978-670-1416
> email@hidden
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