Re: Re. inkjets: An open letter to Tom Lianza, anyone else who cares about color management, Apple, Epson, Canon, and Adobe.
Re: Re. inkjets: An open letter to Tom Lianza, anyone else who cares about color management, Apple, Epson, Canon, and Adobe.
- Subject: Re: Re. inkjets: An open letter to Tom Lianza, anyone else who cares about color management, Apple, Epson, Canon, and Adobe.
- From: "edmund ronald" <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:54:08 +0200
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Andrew Rodney
<email@hidden> wrote:
> On 5/15/08 11:01 AM, "edmund ronald" wrote:
>
>> Admitting that the user experience with photo color is totally
>> miserable is the first step to fixing it.
>
> Miserable? How? Where are you hearing these cries from the masses? Yes,
> there are problems that need to be addressed but in the last two weeks,
> you've suggested there are problems of overwhelming proportions that I'm
> just not hearing or seeing. First, the Raw workflow is going to hell in a
> hand basket due to something to do with Adobe and the fact they don't deal
> with ICC camera profiles (have you read about what they are doing with the
> new DNG spec?). Now there's a problem with users who apparently don't
> recognize some drift or hosed output but they don't as you point out,
> recognize it but apparently you do? I'm confused.
>
Yes, the DNG spec is very nice, just like the original DNG spec. The
problem is that Adobe refuse to honor the DNG spec. In other words, if
a camera maker like Fuji supplies a matrix and a specific eg-Velvia
rendering for his camera, the Adobe Converter refuses to show the user
this rendering. Other software like Iridant Raw Developer will honor
the rendering which is in the file.
I believe that camera makers know their cameras best, and clients
buying these cameras have a right to expect a Raw converter to show
them the data in that file as specified.
> On 5/15/08 11:02 AM, "Marco Ugolini" wrote:
>
>>> Just because you can't see the difference doesn't mean it hasn't
>>> drifted and that it's not going to be a problem down the road.
>>
>> Well said, Terry.
>>
>> Trusting one's eyes is fine, but it also carries potential risks, as you point
>> out. It's better to be aware of that possible downside, than being caught in
>> the hubris of hyper self-confidence.
>
> I agree that it can (and is) a real problem for some and we can't trust our
> eyes, otherwise why use instruments in the first place. What I don't agree
> with is Edmund's point that there is some huge issue for (as Marco puts it)
> Joe user.
>
>> On 5/15/08 11:12 AM, "edmund ronald" wrote:
>>
>>> - First I would expect every ColorMunki and EyeOne to come with a
>>> utility to check the user's system.
>
> Check it for what? And then, assuming something is "broken", its going to
> "fix it"?
Check that the various components of the print-path are working.
Checking that Joe's wife or co-worker hans't changed the media
setting, that the printer driver isn't double-applying a profile etc.
And, yes, as simple set of steps for diagnostic can then be supplied
to "fix it"
>
> Andrew Rodney
> http://www.digitaldog.net/
>
>
>
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