RE: Metamerism vs Color Inconstancy, again
RE: Metamerism vs Color Inconstancy, again
- Subject: RE: Metamerism vs Color Inconstancy, again
- From: Roger Breton <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:37:14 -0400
Wow! I don't have anything to contribute new this thread other than to
acknowledge Ernst's account as being very sensitive to the struggle that is
going on behind the written words. This List is about color and anything
color. Opinions are, naturally, always welcome, from all sides of the
equation, which can be infinitely complex, and that I, personally, am always
looking forward to read. Color terms are not always simple. The concepts
behind them can be so opaque, let's face it, that it can take anyone years
to master their ever far-reaching meaning, as one realize their
ramifications. I can say I have been active for over ten years in this
field, not being a PhD or a Masters of color science by training, and yet, I
find myself constantly revisiting basic ideas like tristimulus values,
chromatic adaptation and the like. It's an inexhaustible field of study, in
my opinion, and metamerism, constancy, inconstancy are all worth learning
about, as part as an ongoing self-taught color curricula, for those who are
interested. Sometimes, I think Apple ought to add a wiki-like site to the
List, like a ColorSync archive repository that goes beyond mere retrieving.
(Or maybe Steve's wiki color could be used for this purpose) But I am
convinced of the need for extracting the gist of the List's conversations to
make them accessible offline, for anyone to read and learn from. Maybe we'd
have less arguments that way? Maybe consensus could be evolved for terms
like metamerism, constancy and inconstancy? So that whenever new posts would
come up for discussion with these loaded terms (yes, let's not be afraid of
the word), some kind of automated message would automatically send the
original poster a host of links to previous discussions on the subject and
what contributors consider the "focal" meaning, collectively agree upon? Or
maybe Apple's color-wikki could be linked to the color.org site, who has its
share of conceptual definitions in its glossary? I'm just throwing ideas
around. But I sense that to spare the List from ever becoming untangled in
"the search for truth"-kinds of argument, however constructive they may be,
some kind of limiting mechanisms might help move the List along. Otherwise,
as we all know, those threads will fade away as a consequence of everyone
having held to their deep beliefs and, sometimes in a not too distant
future, the same ideas will surface again to haunt us.
My two cents / Roger
> ernst schreef:
>
>
> > That's a vocabulary lesson that the lay person doesn't need to know,
> > but in here I think it's important that we agree on such terms because
> > it makes these posts easier and more clear in the future.
> > Perhaps, because I'm not a color scientist, I don't have enough
> > information in my head already to be confused by it. :o)
>
> When Ben Goren asked for a good demonstration of metamerism his
> message was perfectly worded for that request yet the first reply was one
> that put dots on i's that were already dotted in my opinion. I think in
the next
> two messages they came to the same conclusion. However since then the
> tap on orthodox citations of color bibles has been wide open.
> Provoked by some messages without doubt, confused by some related
> questions but also without no other objective than taking the higher
ground
> in what becomes a debating contest rather than an exchange of ideas.
>
> Then when someone else opens a fire plug to take the debate to another
> level of abstract thinking and terminology, we get the message that
there's
> already too much water spilled. In my opinion that first reply wasn't even
> necessary and I still have some (to me) interesting questions unanswered.
> Graeme is my champion but I wonder whether he actually wants to dot the
> i's here or just finish this thread with the right method.
> I don't mind if it goes either way.
>
> --
> Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst
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