Re: backdoors
Re: backdoors
- Subject: Re: backdoors
- From: email@hidden
- Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:20:21 -0500 (EST)
useful reply of a samsåraputra.
> Please stop responding to nonsense and it will go away.
>
> Oh shit, broke my own rule.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Dave Schroeder <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> 1. Your posts make little sense, and are rambling in nature.
>>
>> 2. Asking "does such-and-such OS contain government backdoors" -- as if
>> that is somehow even answerable -- is a troll almost by definition. (The
>> ObjC response was as relevant as it could get.)
>>
>> 3. Your "first question" is never going to be answered, because no one
>> here
>> knows if there are any unknown/undiscovered backdoors, placed
>> intentionally
>> or otherwise, in Darwin. Also, if there are "backdoors" in any OS,
>> government or otherwise, it's unlikely you'll find them by asking on a
>> public mailing list.
>>
>> Please stop posting nonsense unless you have a legitimate question.
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2011, at 6:44 PM, email@hidden wrote:
>>
>> > it's inefficient when the first question is not answered (references
>> for
>> > ObjC cod'ing... which apparently are not needed).
>> >
>> > i could care less if someone thinks i'm just troll'ing.
>> > and i identify more with elves.
>> >
>> > too much ego, too much machine; too few hacking, too few helping...
>> (not
>> > directed at anyone in particular).
>> >
>> > my response to samsårapuras is just a flanger noise reduction for my
>> mind...
>> >
>> > and the enSUI project has being just digitalized, but with such "help"
>> i
>> > may just patent it.
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jan 5, 2011, at 18:33 , email@hidden wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> finally an answer, i don't need to know ObjC for my project. so C
>> it
>> is
>> >>>> (as i said... much earlier, i know Java and a little of C++ and
>> ASKED
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> a reference to read and study, but got NO reply).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> cross posting at a web forum? was that some form of joke? i was
>> just
>> >>>> suggesting that this mailing list will be better as a web forum
>> >>>> (Vanilla
>> >>>> works nice).
>> >>>
>> >>> Vincent/Esteban/Stephan/Whatever,
>> >>>
>> >>> I think the problem is that your posts generally do not make a lot
>> of
>> >>> sense
>> >>> and seem to be more about your political views/opinions than
>> anything
>> >>> to do with a technical development mailing list for Darwin.
>> >>>
>> >>> For instance, most people on this list honestly couldn't care less
>> if
>> >>> you
>> >>> relocate to Mountain View or if you relocate to Milan or what you
>> want
>> >>> to call yourself today, since it all has very little (read:nothing)
>> to
>> >>> do with
>> >>> Darwin development.
>> >>>
>> >>> As for your project, it's not actually very clear what you're doing
>> or
>> >>> what
>> >>> you really need help with. We did answer the couple of actual
>> >>> Darwin-related
>> >>> development questions you asked, but mostly ignored the other inane
>> >>> rantings.
>> >>>
>> >>> Also, your questions themselves often seem muddled and quite
>> trollish.
>> >>> If they're
>> >>> genuine development-related questions, I apologize for most of us,
>> but
>> >>> given
>> >>> your history on this list posting political statements and
>> attempting
>> to
>> >>> ignite
>> >>> discussion here regarding such statements, it's hard to treat a
>> question
>> >>> like
>> >>> 'What backdoors have governments put into Darwin?' as a real
>> question
>> >>> and
>> >>> not an attempt to start another political debate. Finally, you seem
>> to
>> >>> be missing
>> >>> a key understanding of the difference between Mac OS X and Darwin
>> when
>> >>> you ask some of your questions. For example, what Mail and the
>> Keychain
>> >>> Access
>> >>> applications may or may not do are not really relevant since neither
>> are
>> >>> included
>> >>> with Darwin. Also, since you have full access to the source, you can
>> >>> reasonably
>> >>> set the trust properties of your Cert Authorities in your home-spun
>> >>> OS/Window Manager
>> >>> thing. You can even do this in Mac OS X if you feel the urge to do
>> so,
>> >>> it just
>> >>> comes pre-loaded with appropriate top-level trust certs so that you
>> can
>> >>> do
>> >>> such basic things as browse the web.
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyway, most people here are quite knowledgeable and helpful for
>> real
>> >>> Darwin-related
>> >>> engineering questions. If you just do a quick perusal of this list
>> over
>> >>> the past
>> >>> year or so, however, you'll see that you rarely actually ask such
>> >>> questions and
>> >>> you're often asked by people who try to be helpful at first to
>> either
>> >>> remain
>> >>> on-topic or to stop posting. I suggest you take that advice, this is
>> not
>> >>> a political
>> >>> debate forum nor is this a forum for creating the next best user
>> >>> experience, it's
>> >>> simply a Darwin engineering forum. If you want to discuss those
>> other
>> >>> topics,
>> >>> take your own advice and find a nice web forum that does so.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Le 5 janv. 2011 à 23:48, Stephen J. Butler a écrit :
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Axel Luttgens
>> <email@hidden>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Either some posts didn't arrive in my mailbox, or some of them
>> were
>> >>>>>>> off-list. Anyway, I'm lost...
>> >>>>>>> What are we speaking about? ;-)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> He wants us to tell him where all the backdoors are in the
>> kernel,
>> >>>>>> because he doesn't know ObjC. Except we told him there aren't any
>> >>>>>> known backdoors, the kernel isn't ObjC, and if he wanted a
>> security
>> >>>>>> audit he'd have to do it himself.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The rest of these posts have been rather unintelligible attempts
>> at
>> >>>>>> cross posting an OT discussion to a web forum. I wish he'd just
>> >>>>>> stop...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks Stephen.
>> >>>>> I'm now a bit reassured. :-)
>> >>>>> Axel
>> >>>
>> >>> Yeah, don't worry, Axel, you haven't really missed anything of
>> value.
>> >>>
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