Is WebObjects Dead?
Is WebObjects Dead?
- Subject: Is WebObjects Dead?
- From: Daniel Mejia <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:15:28 -0600
Hi,
I think that most of the people using WO has the same concern and I
think that this concern has two roads. One is the technical concern and
the marketing concern, let me try to explain it.
In the technological road I think that is very hard to find a
combination of tools that could make the same job as easy as WO. You
can try with many combination of tools, but the cost of configuration,
learning curve, integration with other tools, tool and deploy price,
etc. probably is bigger than the benefits that you already have with
WO.
In the marketing road I think Apple has failed to promote one of the
best tools in the market. They need to do something, but they don't
have big experience to promote and market in the corporate markets.
By example, It is very delusory to find that most of the web sites that
are supposed to be using WO, when you check their URL you can see that
they are using ASP or any other technology, but there are many other
web sites using this tool, I think we need to promote these sites and
any other site that we know or we help to develop using WO.
I have compiled a list of websites using WO, here is a sample. If any
one wants a more complete list, just let me know.
Kenworth: http://kenworthsalesco.com/
Marie Clarie: http://www.marieclairemaison.com/app/WebObjects/MCMWeb.woa
Disney:
http://dcl.reservations.disney.go.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TravelCL.woa/
wa/default
Hilton Hotels: https://www.hgvclub.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/members
Toshiba Europe:
http://solutions.imaging.toshiba-europe.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/
SolutionGuidePDF/
In my opinion, we can't wait until Apple decide to give a priority to
WO or they understand that promote this kind of tools is a different
job that sell iPods, I think that we need to make stronger this tools
doing something like have a group of developers that have a stronger
communication and collaboration where if I have a prospect and they
want to talk with a user in any other part in the world they can call
each other to check how happy are they with WO. (I have a very happy
customers in Mexico), or collaborate with omnigroup or in any other
site where we can post components that any other developer can use,
etc, etc, etc.
I have developed with tools like WebLogic, WebSphere, .Net and I can
tell you, WO for 700 usd is by far more powerful than BEA WebLogic for
12,000 usd.
I would like to help anybody who wants to make the WO market share
bigger.
Saludos,
Daniel.
On Feb 25, 2004, at 7:54 AM, email@hidden
wrote:
Message: 1
From: Steven Pannell <email@hidden>
To: "'email@hidden'" <email@hidden>
Subject: Is WebObjects Dead?
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:27:13 +0100
Hi,
I have been using WebObjects for more then 2 years now but something
has
struck me recently. That is the lack of any major developments in the
WebObjects Application Server. Sure 5.2 was released with a few extra
features (which I personally did not find very special or useful) but
in the
areas which matter nothing is going on. What about Apache 2 support,
Better
deployment? and full integration with standard Java (i.e. no more nasty
NSArrays, being able to use ant etc) and junking the WebObjects
development
environment which apple should be ashamed of (we don't need it as I
have
java development tools). It seems to me that Apple are not giving
WebObjects any kind of priority, so after 2 year we now looking at
migrating
away from WebObjects to java servets and jsp just because this
technology is
moving forward and WebObjects is not. does anyone feel the same way or
should I be looking at sticking with WebObjects...
Cheers,
Steve.
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