Re: Any WWDC News
Re: Any WWDC News
- Subject: Re: Any WWDC News
- From: Michael Engelhart <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:27:58 -0500
relax. If I was clinging to every little word that I'd rip apart your
comments below but I have work to do and a family I want to spend time
with. What you wrote before and repeated again below regarding open
source software is just plain and simply wrong. I'm not going to
debate it with you because you don't want to do anything but disagree
and be pissed off at Apple and me now. If you want to live your life
thinking that Mac OS X has NOTHING open source in it then that's fine.
I was trying to clear up your misinformation so that other people who
may read this thread at some point in the future won't be led astray by
your comments.
Mike
On Jul 1, 2004, at 6:32 PM, Lotsa Cabo wrote:
>
> On Jul 1, 2004, at 12:19 PM, Michael Engelhart wrote:
>
>> What are you talking about it "WAS Open Source"?? Darwin is still
>> open source (http://developer.apple.com/darwin/) and is maintained by
>> the open source community of which Apple is a part of.
>
>
> Ya' know, the one thing that is more upsetting than Apple's bad
> marketing strategy is when people decide to cling to, and rant about,
> every little word. We are intelligent people. Must we really debate
> EVERYTHING!?!? You knew what I meant before you ever replied.
> However, assuming that you sincerely did not understand, let me spell
> it out for you...
>
> My machine has NOTHING open source on it and that includes OS X.
> Apple pushes their intellectual property out in two methods: one to
> help the open source community and one for commercial profit. The
> bottom line is that what we purchase may have ties back to the open
> source community, however once Apple pulls it in house, modifies it,
> polishes it, and then blesses it for resale, it is NOT open source at
> that point.
>
>
>> It sounds to me from your reply that maybe they won't
>> touch it because you won't touch it?
>
>
> Uh huh. And?!?! That was my whole point to begin with. The MAJORITY
> of the major companies out there are not using it. And, that very
> well may be because nobody is pushing it. And why should they? If
> they/we have no idea what Apple is doing from one minute to the next,
> then why should we bank or reputations on it?
>
>
>> It's not like
>> Oracle just recompiled their Sun based versions of their products to
>> build a LInux or Mac OS X version. They spent lots of time and
>> energy
>> rewriting code to support these open source systems because they have
>> merit and more importantly marketshare. Why would a fortune 500
>> company port their software if nobody was using it??? Oracle is ONLY
>> used by large organizations because of it's prohibitive cost.
>
>
> Again, I say... Uh huh? And!?!? You keep proving my point. I am
> not arguing that the Mac platform is not great. It is! And I know
> companies want to be on it. They do. However, Oracle's decision to
> port their stuff to Mac was based on insider information about the
> hardware -- info that you and I are not given access to. However,
> even THAT information was about he hardware and probably did not have
> anything to do with WebObjects. What we are discussing here
> [primarily] is WO and the Apple development environment. I am sure if
> the developer community had the same info that made Oracle have the
> "warm n' fuzzies," then we may begin to make different decisions.
>
> R/S
> Ryan
>
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