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Re: Core Data (was Re: Any WWDC News)
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Re: Core Data (was Re: Any WWDC News)


  • Subject: Re: Core Data (was Re: Any WWDC News)
  • From: Doug McClure <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 11:29:11 -0500

On Jul 3, 2004, at 1:08 AM, Ashley Aitken wrote:


On 02/07/2004, at 11:18 PM, Doug McClure wrote:
So that makes the idea of CoreData even more confusing. Why is Apple reinventing the wheel for something that ALREADY EXISTS and WORKS! I know companies who would start building database driven applications with Obj-C EOF today if it was re-released. Instead we getting some watered down, re-invent the wheel with sides, unproven version of EOF that can't even access major vendor databases, from what I hear. How many places do you think thats gonna fly in corporate America?

My GUESS is they are not trying to build another Cocoa/EOF at all. They suggest 3-tier Java apps for corporate applications ... (not that I am saying there is not room for 2-tier database applications).

<sarcasm>Drink the cool-aid man, there are no 2-tier applications. We don't need no stinking 2-tier systems!</sarcasm>


I loved doing 2-tier stuff, it was so much simpler and easier, and for the large data set mining things I was doing on a number of projects it was absolutely the best way to go. Some of my clients loved the things we had written for them. When Apple dumped Obj-c EOF / Openstep for Windows, I know one of them ended up talking with anyone they could, up to VP levels at Apple trying to get them to continue selling licenses. Apple wouldn't even bother listening, they didn't care then, and I haven't seen a change since. Those companies aren't using Apple tech anymore. Personally, I'd love to have someone like HBO with mission critical applications written with my technology, wouldn't you? Or how about Fannie Mae, or Bank of America, etc etc. All companies that have used it and abandoned it because of stuff like this.


My GUESS is that Core Data is meant to be more of a "local machine" persistence mechanism for "single-user" desktop applications (do they use it for SnapShot?) Lighter weight and less "enterprise" than EOF.

But I am only guessing [1].

The best thing about CoreData from the rumblings is that it'll bring a persistent data storage technology to anyone who needs such a think, and there are a LOT of applications out there that need that. The worst thing is that people like FileMaker who have similar technology, will lose out on some sales.


So we've got lightweight now, and heavy-weight (WO), we need middle-weight (Obj-C EOF)!

Cheers,
Ashley.

[1] I wouldn't do so much guessing if I could afford to go to WWDC or if Apple promptly released information to ADC members that have agreed to the NDA etc. Not sure why we should be treated so poorly ;-)

I think it's part of the terms and conditions. :-) I haven't understood why WWDC has been NDA'ed for the last few years at all. Don' t you want ALL your developers knowing about all the cool technology that is coming? Don't you want them to get excited and start developing applications NOW so they'll be ready for when you actually release something?? Don't you want as many developers giving you feedback on the direction you are going to help guide what you are doing?


Uh don't answer those question, I don't want to know. :-) Must drink more cool-aid! :-)

-d
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 >Re: Core Data (was Re: Any WWDC News) (From: Randall Perry <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Core Data (was Re: Any WWDC News) (From: Josh Paul <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Core Data (was Re: Any WWDC News) (From: Doug McClure <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Core Data (was Re: Any WWDC News) (From: Ashley Aitken <email@hidden>)

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