Re: A "Why WebObjects" Site / Initial Thoughts Please
Re: A "Why WebObjects" Site / Initial Thoughts Please
- Subject: Re: A "Why WebObjects" Site / Initial Thoughts Please
- From: Dov Rosenberg <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:13:11 -0400
I am not trying to pre-empt anything. I have seen a lot of ideas flow thru
these news groups over the past few years with very few of them every coming
to fruition. I think your idea had a lot of merit and did not want it to go
the way of the other "great ideas".
In order to build any type of community site that serves the needs of a
large group of people, someone has to step and get a framework in place so
the community can come forward and contribute. Trying to design a site like
this by committee can take forever. Sometimes it is better to be able to
capture the spirit of the effort and get something started than to let it
die on the vine.
I took your initial list of requirements and boiled them down into the
features and functionality that we could quickly implement with our
WebObjects based CMS.
I don't want to recreate wocode.com or the other technical mailing lists. I
am in concert with your goals of creating a site that can be used by people
looking to evaluate WO technology for current and upcoming projects.
It could take months of man hours to implement all of the features on your
requirements list. I think it is a good list to work toward. I think our
first cut at the site will include most of your wish list. All we need is
more content.
Give me the benefit of the doubt and lets see what comes out of this.
On 7/7/04 10:10 PM, "Lotsa Cabo" <email@hidden> wrote:
> Dov,
>
> My apologies for sounding rude, but I'm a bit concerned. As I
> mentioned in the past, I can appreciate your desire to push forward as
> quickly as possible. Unfortunately, I feel as if you're venturing down
> the same road as many of the other, more common, WebObjects sites out
> there.
>
> First, I've been on this list for over a year and nobody has mentioned
> doing this type of thing. Last week I proposed the idea and began
> doing research. Before I knew it, you jumped in, grabbed a domain
> name, and started building the site. So, while it may sound like I am
> whining about it, I would like to state that I think it's a bit rude
> that you pretty much just started building and completely ignored the
> guy that started it all.
>
> Second, while, again, I like how anxious you are, but you are missing
> the primary feature that most everyone has asked for (and what I would
> personally like to see): a community involved effort instead of a solo
> project. Instead, you've already got sections of the site being built
> and going live "later this week."
>
> Third, going back to the features again, I spent DAYS chatting with,
> talking to, and exchanging emails with hundreds of developers. I then
> compiled the results into two solid pages and gave them to the group.
> Again, instead of implementing any of them, you have gone off built a
> feature list with virtually no similarity to that list nor any other
> recommendations that have been posted to the group.
>
> If you are going to go off and build the site without listening to the
> group as a whole, then, in my opinion, don't bother. If you are going
> to release anything that does not cosmetically look highly professional
> then, again, don't bother. As several people on the site so eloquently
> put it, if it's just going to be another WebObjects site, then we (or
> you) are wasting the time in creating it. As mostly everyone pointed
> out, what we have been discussing is no simple challenge; it must be
> done correctly and professionally the first time out of the gate.
>
> In short, the opinions of the mass are more important, in this
> situation, that that of the individual. So, either get with the goal
> we were shooting for or... well, as I said before, don't bother.
>
> R/S
> Ryan
>
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> On Jul 7, 2004, at 9:22 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote:
>
>> I am collecting information for the site right now. We should be able
>> to
>> turn the site live later this week. It will be an evolving project with
>> capabilities being added as the site matures. Please forward any white
>> papers you have including your contact information so we can make sure
>> everyone gets credits.
>>
>> For the initial launch we should have the following functionality
>> available:
>>
>> * user registration - this will be used if someone want to contribute
>> content to the site
>>
>> * case studies - this will provide some real world examples on how
>> WebObjects has been used in various projects. The case study format is
>> modeled after the format Gartner Group uses.
>>
>> * FAQ - the FAQ will be used primarily for high level questions about
>> webobjects - not technical ones - save those for the regular mailing
>> lists.
>>
>> * white papers - this will feature the ability to upload a Word, PDF or
>> other types of documents in addition to manually creating a white
>> paper. The
>> papers can cover any WebObjects related topics from how-to's to what
>> was I
>> thinking
>>
>> * bios- this is an area where developers can post some information
>> about
>> themselves - linked to the case studies and white papers so people can
>> get
>> more info about you. We are undecided about providing emails due to
>> the high
>> spam factor - suggestions are welcomed.
>>
>> I think this will cover most of the things I have been seeing on the
>> news
>> groups. Please let me know if I missed anything critical for the first
>> stages.
>>
>> I am looking for volunteers to help manage the site. If you are
>> interested
>> please drop me a private note so I can set you up as an administrator.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dov Rosenberg
>> Conviveon Corporation
>> http://www.conviveon.com
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