Re: A "Why WebObjects" Site / Initial Thoughts Please
Re: A "Why WebObjects" Site / Initial Thoughts Please
- Subject: Re: A "Why WebObjects" Site / Initial Thoughts Please
- From: Lotsa Cabo <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:10:45 -0400
Dov,
My apologies for sounding rude, but I'm a bit concerned. As I
mentioned in the past, I can appreciate your desire to push forward as
quickly as possible. Unfortunately, I feel as if you're venturing down
the same road as many of the other, more common, WebObjects sites out
there.
First, I've been on this list for over a year and nobody has mentioned
doing this type of thing. Last week I proposed the idea and began
doing research. Before I knew it, you jumped in, grabbed a domain
name, and started building the site. So, while it may sound like I am
whining about it, I would like to state that I think it's a bit rude
that you pretty much just started building and completely ignored the
guy that started it all.
Second, while, again, I like how anxious you are, but you are missing
the primary feature that most everyone has asked for (and what I would
personally like to see): a community involved effort instead of a solo
project. Instead, you've already got sections of the site being built
and going live "later this week."
Third, going back to the features again, I spent DAYS chatting with,
talking to, and exchanging emails with hundreds of developers. I then
compiled the results into two solid pages and gave them to the group.
Again, instead of implementing any of them, you have gone off built a
feature list with virtually no similarity to that list nor any other
recommendations that have been posted to the group.
If you are going to go off and build the site without listening to the
group as a whole, then, in my opinion, don't bother. If you are going
to release anything that does not cosmetically look highly professional
then, again, don't bother. As several people on the site so eloquently
put it, if it's just going to be another WebObjects site, then we (or
you) are wasting the time in creating it. As mostly everyone pointed
out, what we have been discussing is no simple challenge; it must be
done correctly and professionally the first time out of the gate.
In short, the opinions of the mass are more important, in this
situation, that that of the individual. So, either get with the goal
we were shooting for or... well, as I said before, don't bother.
R/S
Ryan
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On Jul 7, 2004, at 9:22 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote:
> I am collecting information for the site right now. We should be able
> to
> turn the site live later this week. It will be an evolving project with
> capabilities being added as the site matures. Please forward any white
> papers you have including your contact information so we can make sure
> everyone gets credits.
>
> For the initial launch we should have the following functionality
> available:
>
> * user registration - this will be used if someone want to contribute
> content to the site
>
> * case studies - this will provide some real world examples on how
> WebObjects has been used in various projects. The case study format is
> modeled after the format Gartner Group uses.
>
> * FAQ - the FAQ will be used primarily for high level questions about
> webobjects - not technical ones - save those for the regular mailing
> lists.
>
> * white papers - this will feature the ability to upload a Word, PDF or
> other types of documents in addition to manually creating a white
> paper. The
> papers can cover any WebObjects related topics from how-to's to what
> was I
> thinking
>
> * bios- this is an area where developers can post some information
> about
> themselves - linked to the case studies and white papers so people can
> get
> more info about you. We are undecided about providing emails due to
> the high
> spam factor - suggestions are welcomed.
>
> I think this will cover most of the things I have been seeing on the
> news
> groups. Please let me know if I missed anything critical for the first
> stages.
>
> I am looking for volunteers to help manage the site. If you are
> interested
> please drop me a private note so I can set you up as an administrator.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dov Rosenberg
> Conviveon Corporation
> http://www.conviveon.com
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