Re: A "Why WebObjects" Site / Initial Thoughts Please
Re: A "Why WebObjects" Site / Initial Thoughts Please
- Subject: Re: A "Why WebObjects" Site / Initial Thoughts Please
- From: Dov Rosenberg <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:38:14 -0400
I appreciate your comments. I have set up a mailing list if anyone wants to
use it to discuss matters relating to WhyWebObjects.com. You can subscribe
to the list by sending a message to email@hidden with subscribe
in the body.
I will continue to monitor these lists for info/volunteers as well.
Thanks again
Dov
On 7/7/04 11:21 PM, "Lachlan Deck" <email@hidden> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> On 08/07/2004, at 12:10 PM, Lotsa Cabo wrote:
>
>> My apologies for sounding rude, but I'm a bit concerned. As I
>> mentioned in the past, I can appreciate your desire to push forward as
>> quickly as possible. Unfortunately, I feel as if you're venturing down
>> the same road as many of the other, more common, WebObjects sites out
>> there.
>
> I'm not sure that what Dov has done is really that problematic.
>
> From where I sit, in order for there to be community collaboration (as
> you and many desire) there needs to be something to contribute to
> (i.e., a common place of submission and a common point of reference for
> for all involved).
>
> All I see that Dov has done is fulfil the above (initial) requirements
> by setting up the whywebobjects.com url with a basic infrastructure for
> that desired collaboration to occur.
>
> The layout of the site is not set in concrete. It can be adjusted over
> time - so your summary of things is not in jeopardy. It will (or
> something similar will) happen with continued community support and as
> community discussions continue to fine-tune the site.
>
> I don't see any cause for grave concern over the "look 'n' feel" of the
> initial site. It's not as yet meant to be ready for prime time
> marketing purposes. The initial goal needs simply to be having a common
> point of collaboration (that is not this mailing list).
>
> That being said, it seems to me to be a good idea to additionally have
> a email@hidden mailing list of some kind to continue on
> with the discussion of the site's contents/features/etc.
>
>> First, I've been on this list for over a year and nobody has mentioned
>> doing this type of thing. Last week I proposed the idea and began
>> doing research. Before I knew it, you jumped in, grabbed a domain
>> name,
>
> for which you were initially grateful :-)
>
>> and started building the site. So, while it may sound like I am
>> whining about it, I would like to state that I think it's a bit rude
>> that you pretty much just started building and completely ignored the
>> guy that started it all.
>
> Again, I don't think Dov has done that. I don't think it was clear that
> you were interested in heading up the whole venture either but that
> this all came up because of people wondering what's happenin' with WO.
> So I don't see that Dov has gone behind your back, so to speak.
>
> What was clear was the 'what do people think' queries - where many
> contributed. Someone suggested asking those of various sites (including
> conviveon) to host such a site - to which Dov came back quickly with a
> "Yes we will" and has proceeded to put the foundations in place (i.e.,
> domain name and opportunity for contribution by any).
>
>> If you are going to go off and build the site without listening to the
>> group as a whole, then, in my opinion, don't bother. If you are going
>> to release anything that does not cosmetically look highly professional
>> then, again, don't bother.
>
> Seriously, I can't see the need for alarm bells. Someone had to go
> about setting up an initial site. But its look, design, etc are not set
> in stone - they merely provide a starting point. I for one see that as
> a positive...
>
>> As several people on the site so eloquently
>> put it, if it's just going to be another WebObjects site, then we (or
>> you) are wasting the time in creating it. As mostly everyone pointed
>> out, what we have been discussing is no simple challenge; it must be
>> done correctly and professionally the first time out of the gate.
>
> Rather, it must be marketed 'at the right time'. Collaboration need not
> occur in secret until that time. Many open source projects have humble
> beginnings. This in no way limits their potential. Indeed what will
> attract contributors is the opportunity to be involved in something
> that has potential and people with talent behind it.
>
> The only reason why it would fail is if no one seeks to contribute and
> if its future direction is not guided by the community and/or a
> community encouraged committee and if arguments break out about who
> started what...
>
>> In short, the opinions of the mass are more important,
>
> Agreed. Remember your contribution to the masses has been appreciated.
> Let's not turn this into a competition...
>
> with regards,
>
> --
> Lachlan Deck
>
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Dov Rosenberg
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