Re: Any WWDC News
Re: Any WWDC News
- Subject: Re: Any WWDC News
- From: Trae Nickelson <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:15:52 -0500
Greg,
That is awesome! Your story (and the hundreds of others like it)
should be featured relentlessly and aggressively in some form of
marketing by Apple. Instead, it will die here in this mailing list
where everyone already knows the power of WO. It's ridiculous.
It's worth wondering I think - how much harder would it have been to
convince a non-family employer to agree to let you choose WebObjects?
You already had credibility with your family. They put there
confidence in your ability (rightfully so), not WebObjects. It might
have been more of a battle outside of the family business. It
shouldn't be. Doesn't have to be.
Also, your wish list would become reality a lot faster, if Apple would
create the market momentum to justify a faster development cycle.
Great work on the solution. Good luck! :-)
Trae
On Jun 30, 2004, at 7:07 PM, Greg Hulands wrote:
Why I chose web objects.
I taught myself WO 4.5 when I was at uni. I create a Point of Sale
solution for my parents business in about 5 months by myself. I kept
upgrading the developer release of Mac OS X. I know all the warnings
were there that "We are not shipping EOF obj-c with OS X." I have to
admit I was young and dumb and thought that why would you put it in
the developer releases if you weren't going to ship it? I got a bit
disillusioned by it all and thought F*ck it.
Move on 5 years and I now work in the family business. We were looking
at moving the direction of the business to cater for online digital
print fulfillment and were approach by another company in Australia to
buy there product. They were asking for about $26k to license and it
also had royalties that were quite absurd. I told the folks that I
could do it instead and save a lot of money. I initially started doing
it in php with postgres, but the requirements started to snowball
along and it soon became clear that I could not develop it as quickly
in php as what I could have with WO.
I switched to WO and imported the current schema into EOModeller,
generated the EO's put the custom logic in it that was in the php
code, and converted the current state of the project in 5 days (4
weeks in php -> 5 days in WO - although the 4 weeks was a lot of
design so it is not entirely accurate, but you get the picture). The
requirements kept snowballing and mum and dad understood that the more
functionality they wanted, the longer it would take. I am about 2
weeks from finishing, just had to change the architecture of the
preferences to handle multi instance, multi machine deployment.
Some of the things along my journey of this project are:
* Standards are not up to date - eg XHTML and SMIL 2. This is not much
of a problem as it is easy to generate SMIL in a single component, it
is just that WOBuilder doesn't handle it.
* D2JC would be good if instead of swing it used SWT so it gave a
native look on all platforms.
* A D2XUL or something similar would be good if there was an Interface
Builder type application that you would use EOAssociations like in the
old days of EOF obj-c and it would generate the interface for you. But
with the introduction of CoreData I would hope that there is some sort
of native solution apple will provide so that Core Data and web
objects can interoperate transparently, so we don't have to make
desktop apps use web services to communicate.
These are just some of the things.
Greg
On 01/07/2004, at 9:31 AM, Trae Nickelson wrote:
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