Re: State of WebObjects
Re: State of WebObjects
- Subject: Re: State of WebObjects
- From: Paul Lynch <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:01:52 +0100
On 28 Jun 2006, at 22:39, Miguel Arroz wrote:
On 2006/06/28, at 22:20, Paul Lynch wrote:
You mean "fun", not "funny". That's a common misuse of English
that is cropping up on lists more and more recently.
Ops... I'm not a native english speaker... what's the difference?
"Fun" is enjoyable; "funny" is humourous.
I'm going to disagree with the initial point of this. WO and
Rails take exactly as long as each other to get started with your
first working app. The "learning curve" is more or less the same
for both technologies. Rails is most emphatically NOT simple; it
is a complex framework, exactly as it should be. The tradeoffs
between Rails and WO are there, and general opinion here gives WO
the edge still; search this list for a couple of good comparisions
between the two.
I'm not so sure. I see many web-designers creating simple rails
apps, or at least editing the interface code. I don't see them
doing this with WO. Of course, rails community tries to spread the
ideia that "Rails is so easy, even you can do it", so this will at
some point convince people that they can do apps without learning
(despite the fact that they ARE learning). But I still think you
need to understand a lot more concepts if you want to work with WO
than with rails.
I still don't see this. A Rails scaffolding app is analogous to a WO
Wizard or D2W app; they both have the same advantages and
disadvantages, and take roughly the same amount of time to set up.
If you don't see people using WO to do this, it doesn't mean that it
can't be done - it just means that Rails is the latest flavour of the
month, evangelical product.
As for the concepts, there are just as many. You still need to learn
the frameworks, and Rails has a lot of things that aren't intuitively
obvious (just the same as WO, only different); the naming
conventions, for one thing. The only real difference I see is that
WO is fanatical about MVC (in comparison to Rails), and Rails likes
to blur the edges. This could be a really important difference, and
quite possibly the only significant one.
Paul
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