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  • Subject: Re: Thanks and Comments
  • From: "Jerry W. Walker" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:39:03 -0500

Hi, Jeffrey,

Don't listen to 'em, I tell ya'... Don't listen to 'em!!! They're just Windows junkies who can't get used to the idea that Apple is the new Honda/Toyota to Microsoft's General Motors! (And they used to tell us that it was all VHS vs. BetaMax... ha!)

Seriously, for all the good natured ribbing that goes back and forth, I, like Chuck and David, believe that Eclipse is currently a better platform for pure Java development. It is, after all, created in Java expressly for Java development. But WebObjects is not pure Java development. It includes WOComponents and EOModels.

The Apple tools (Xcode, EOModeler/Xcode's EOModeling capabilities, and WOBuilder) form a powerful combination, providing visual construction capabilities to the visual elements of your project. They're getting better, but Apple still seems unwilling to provide the commitment to professional WO developers that would make me comfortable. Until they do, you are well advised to seek to understand the underpinnings of these tools for the day that we may all have to move to some open source solution. That is, learn what the .wod file does and how the various elements of the WOComponent interact. Be able to deal with them at the raw text level if you need to. Learn how EOModeler uses property lists, so if you have to edit them some day in Eclipse, you'll know how to do it.

It might help to motivate you, after all this discouraging advice, to know that WO is still the finest enterprise level web application development tool set out there, bar none, and that Apple's renewed interest in the tools is serious.

Welcome aboard, hope you enjoy the ride.

Regards,
Jerry

On Mar 22, 2006, at 9:51 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
Hi,

On Mar 22, 2006, at 6:43 PM, David LeBer wrote:

<good advice snipped>

OH, and I just read your latest email. Xcode == Targets == Evil.

Yup!

I, like Chuck, also prefer Eclipse, though I might not wish it on a complete beginner unless I was around to mentor.

Yes, I am also a little hesitant to recommend it at this stage. You would just trade one source of confusion for another. But it is something to keep in mind for when you get your feet under you more solidly and yearn for a better IDE.

Chuck

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__ Jerry W. Walker,
WebObjects Developer/Instructor for High Performance Industrial Strength Internet Enabled Systems


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