Re: Maybe No Need for a WOBuilder Replacement?
Re: Maybe No Need for a WOBuilder Replacement?
- Subject: Re: Maybe No Need for a WOBuilder Replacement?
- From: Steven Mark McCraw <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:28:28 -0400
For the record, I was trying to lend no comfort (cold or otherwise)
by suggesting inline bindings. The tools are what they are. People
were complaining about one aspect of the tool, and I offer inline
bindings as a suggestion of what made that particular aspect of the
tool workable for me, with the suggestion to try it and see if it had
the same effect for you. I don't think anyone is calling anyone else
slow or stupid or behind the times if they don't like the eclipse
component editor. And certainly no one is trying to shove the
eclipse component editor (which is apparently veal) down a
vegetarian's (which is apparently the entire webobjects community)
throat ;-p. But it is the accepted tool we have to work with, so
it's nice to share tips about what helps and what has worked. No
antagonism intended.
On Sep 4, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Galen Rhodes wrote:
That's the problem! It IS all about personal preference. No two
people write code the same way. Just as people are individuals in
their preference for color, clothes, music, whatever, people have
preferences for how they write code! A good number of us became
very use to working with WOBuilder and, yes, even got use to it's
many quirks. What's faster for one person may very well be slower
for others simply because we're use to working in a different way.
For some of us who were use to WOBuilder, having to use Eclipse is
like going from JEdit back to using VI. And telling us to try
changing the paradigm even more by switching to inline bindings is
cold comfort. You may as well be telling a lifelong vegetarian to
just shut up and try the veal.
--
Galen Rhodes
email@hidden
On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
- the ability to see, in a graphical way, what components are
contained in other components, what they are, and (for simple
things like conditionals), what their main binding is. Using
WOBuilder with a complex component I can see what I need in less
than a second, while it sometimes takes minutes in Eclipse to do
the same thing. Although viewing tables is much easier this way,
that's not the important thing. I don't need to see how the page
will look-- I want to see the component hierarchy in a graphical
way.
Just personal preference on this one ... I find the exact
opposite. We don't do almost any table layout, and opening a
complex css-laid-out component in WOBuilder appears to me to be
unintelligible. Component editor in Eclipse shows both an outline
view of your components as well as the collapsible HTML editor
with rollovers that show the span of each tag. But this has been
debated to death, so I'm leaving this at "personal preference."
- the ability to cut or copy a whole group of elements and paste
them somewhere else, bindings and all.
This could definitely be added into component editor ... I can
pretty easily, I think, track the associated wod bindings when you
cut HTML and autocut/copy related wod entries.
ms
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