Re: Maybe No Need for a WOBuilder Replacement?
Re: Maybe No Need for a WOBuilder Replacement?
- Subject: Re: Maybe No Need for a WOBuilder Replacement?
- From: Galen Rhodes <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:37:07 -0400
I appreciate that you weren't trying to antagonize anyone. I too
have a problem with people misunderstanding my slightly strange
attempts at humor. :P
However, that being said, that is a lot of how it does feel. When
you become very use to doing things a certain way and then suddenly
everyone is telling to give it up and try something else then you
tend to feel a little put out. Especially when you really had no
problems with the way you were doing it in the first place.
--
Galen Rhodes
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On Sep 4, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Steven Mark McCraw wrote:
For the record, I was trying to lend no comfort (cold or otherwise)
by suggesting inline bindings. The tools are what they are.
People were complaining about one aspect of the tool, and I offer
inline bindings as a suggestion of what made that particular aspect
of the tool workable for me, with the suggestion to try it and see
if it had the same effect for you. I don't think anyone is calling
anyone else slow or stupid or behind the times if they don't like
the eclipse component editor. And certainly no one is trying to
shove the eclipse component editor (which is apparently veal) down
a vegetarian's (which is apparently the entire webobjects
community) throat ;-p. But it is the accepted tool we have to work
with, so it's nice to share tips about what helps and what has
worked. No antagonism intended.
On Sep 4, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Galen Rhodes wrote:
That's the problem! It IS all about personal preference. No two
people write code the same way. Just as people are individuals in
their preference for color, clothes, music, whatever, people have
preferences for how they write code! A good number of us became
very use to working with WOBuilder and, yes, even got use to it's
many quirks. What's faster for one person may very well be slower
for others simply because we're use to working in a different
way. For some of us who were use to WOBuilder, having to use
Eclipse is like going from JEdit back to using VI. And telling us
to try changing the paradigm even more by switching to inline
bindings is cold comfort. You may as well be telling a lifelong
vegetarian to just shut up and try the veal.
--
Galen Rhodes
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On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:42 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
- the ability to see, in a graphical way, what components are
contained in other components, what they are, and (for simple
things like conditionals), what their main binding is. Using
WOBuilder with a complex component I can see what I need in less
than a second, while it sometimes takes minutes in Eclipse to do
the same thing. Although viewing tables is much easier this way,
that's not the important thing. I don't need to see how the page
will look-- I want to see the component hierarchy in a graphical
way.
Just personal preference on this one ... I find the exact
opposite. We don't do almost any table layout, and opening a
complex css-laid-out component in WOBuilder appears to me to be
unintelligible. Component editor in Eclipse shows both an
outline view of your components as well as the collapsible HTML
editor with rollovers that show the span of each tag. But this
has been debated to death, so I'm leaving this at "personal
preference."
- the ability to cut or copy a whole group of elements and paste
them somewhere else, bindings and all.
This could definitely be added into component editor ... I can
pretty easily, I think, track the associated wod bindings when
you cut HTML and autocut/copy related wod entries.
ms
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