Re: WO alternatives
Re: WO alternatives
- Subject: Re: WO alternatives
- From: Pascal Robert <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:38:35 -0400
Le 09-10-09 à 10:32, Mike Schrag a écrit :
Ok, all innovations from the last 5 years come from Wonder, so I
don't care if WO is open sourced or not, because I know innovations
and bug fixes will come from Wonder, not from Apple. In fact, it's
almost easier to sell WO by talking of Wonder, because you can say
"Ok, so the core frameworks are not open source, but third parties
frameworks extend it so much that's almost open source". And
looking at the surveys results, I think a lot of the community
would drop off WO if Wonder and WOLips didn't exist.
Exactly. What has Apple done for you lately? By lately, I mean since
2005? We got WO 5.4. If you used Wonder already, this wasn't exactly
a world-changing event. People are acting like Apple treated us like
a top-tier developer community and all of a sudden yanked the rug
out from under us. We decided years ago that we weren't going to
wait for Apple to give us anything for WebObjects, and I think we've
added some pretty cool features into Wonder (other folks, too, I'm
just obviously Wonder-biased :) ).
In fact, we should tell people that we don't use WO, we should tell
people that we develop with Eclipse and open source frameworks (Wonder/
LEWOStuff/Houdah/other).
If Apple decided to NEVER ship another WebObjects version, how would
your life be different?
The only thing that bugs me is that they might ship a new version of
OS X with no Java JVM on it, or that 5.4 have serious bugs with Java
7. I guess we can move development to a Linux or Window box if this
happens, but still it's a possibility.
You know what would happen if WO had shipped on Snow Leopard? I
would have continued to deploy my apps with WO 5.3 embedded, I would
have replaced Monitor and wotaskd with Wonder's version, and I would
have replaced mod_WebObjects with Wonder's version. In that sense,
it's actually kind of convenient that WO didn't ship on Snow
Leopard, because we have a clean slate and don't have to cleanup the
one that shipped.
Show me a WO/EOF bug we can't figure out how to fix in Wonder and
I'll get nervous. Until then, I'm going to continue to use one of
the best frameworks that's ever been made.
ms
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