Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
- Subject: Re: WebObjects become opensource ?
- From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:18:16 -0700
It has worked so far... :-P
On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
The twist on this, I suppose, is that we should ENCOURAGE people to
leave the community so we can kick their asses and steal their
contracts by continuing to build WO apps.
ms
On Sep 17, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Christian Trotobas wrote:
Just for the exercise of giving another point of view: my company
does not plan at all to drop WO. On the contrary, we are able to
introduce the framework to new customers in France for 3 years now,
and we train new WO developers every year.
For public institutions, it is true that they are pushing forward
open source technologies. But there are plenty of Websphere and
Weblogic out there, too. The true war, in my opinion, is not
"private" solutions against open source solutions, but Websphere or
Weblogic or MS or... against all the others, including open sources
solutions and WO. Not a new situation since big consulting
companies have already dropped WO for years and years. Good point,
they are looking in the Apple area again, thanks to the iPhone.
Let's take it as an opportunity, though I totally agree with the
others posters that it won't be easy at all.
Another comment: AFAIK, WO is supported by small dev companies
only, or to be more accurate: very small dev companies or indies.
Not easy to target the main companies or institutions with such a
taxonomy. But there are plenty of other market segments where WO
meet the needs perfectly. Fortunately, a lot of companies still
care about return on investment and time to market, or quick
prototyping. And WO is pretty good at that.
From my point of view, I can't see why an open source WO would
perform much much better on the market than the current "privately
hold" version. We would still face MS and Websphere and Weblogic
and jBoss and friends, not talking of Rails and other nice
frameworks in java or not.
What I expect is: people who argue today that they want to drop WO
because it is not opensource, they will argue tomorrow that it is
not a mainstream technology, that it is not that j2ee compliant or
not enough, that they is not enough developers, that Apple have
released it but that they are still behind the product, etc, etc,
etc. Therefore, what we would gain —the open source label— would be
far less than what we would loose —Apple management and commitment
on the long term.
The actual (only ?) point we should argue with Apple (again, my
personal point of view) : if Apple get so much from WO, they need
developers now and in the future, at least to be able to hire them
to enable their own growth. My guess is that they are deeply aware
of that fact. We wait for a concrete action from them and
hopefully, a marketing effort. The first and only step is to give
confidence in the future of the product, and among others, this is
what a roadmap is made for. Or a dedicated website. Or a killing JS
framework. Or all of them at once.
But in the meantime, please let's continue and advocate. For a few
years, and maybe for a while in the future, we are not only WO
developers and supporters, but also marketing people by need.
Today, nobody on Earth shares a better position than ours to
advocate WO. Sometimes, unfortunately, it comes to believing or
not. If we don't, who will ?
Christian
On 17 sept. 2009, at 11:01, Pascal Robert wrote:
I get reports from multiple people in France that are saying the
same thing. Based on those reports, it look like most WO devs in
France are/will drop WO in the next 12 months, and France was one
of the biggest WO "market" :-/
On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Mike Nowak wrote:
I don't care particularly if its open source. I just want a road
map or a deprecation date if any.
Yeah, me too
On the opposite, we are giving up on WO because our clients
(French public institutions) want open source solutions.
JPM
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