Re: X11 and 10.5.1
Re: X11 and 10.5.1
- Subject: Re: X11 and 10.5.1
- From: Dave Schroeder <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:24:34 -0600
Thanks, Kevin!
I knew this conversation would elicit a response. ;-) And I'm glad to
hear, this early on, that Apple is interested in enhancing X11 in
Leopard via official processes. :-)
- Dave
On Nov 7, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Kevin Van Vechten wrote:
While I can't comment on future releases, and certainly can't commit
to a specific point revision (i.e. the hypothetical 10.5.1), rest
assured that we are very interested in delivering Ben's recent work
to X11 users via an official channel. Until that time, Ben's work
in progress will continue to be available via open source.
- Kevin
Kevin Van Vechten <email@hidden>
BSD Team Manager
Apple Inc.
On Nov 7, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Dave Schroeder wrote:
For whatever it's worth, that's how a previous X11 update has been
done...e.g.,
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/x11update2006113.html
- Dave
On Nov 7, 2007, at 9:11 PM, Rich Cook wrote:
Maybe it would work better if Apple would consider pushing out
"non OS updates" instead of making every little change to ever
application be an OS issue. I mean, if I add a column in Mail.app
why is that an OS X update? The system is very cumbersome.
On Nov 7, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Dave Schroeder wrote:
It's a very involved process for things to be included in OS
updates, especially something considered, for better or worse,
more "marginal", such as X11. Don't get me wrong: I would love to
see these updates in an official Apple update soon. I just also
know some of what has to happen behind the scenes for this to
occur, and there's the matter of priorities...
- Dave
On Nov 7, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Rich Cook wrote:
What is it about Apple that makes you say it could not be
included? I really don't understand Apple's messed up update
philosophy. It is frustratingly slow and unnecessarily opaque.
On Nov 7, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Dave Schroeder wrote:
I doubt, *highly*, that any of this could be included in
10.5.1, or 10.5.anything. It is likelier that this could take
the form of a future standalone X11 update, as has been the
case with previous X11 updates.
- Dave
On Nov 7, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Mick Mueck wrote:
G'Day Ben,
I had grazed across this issue as an off-topic side note in an
earlier post to the list, but you didn't take the bait :-).
From past experience with being on the OS X seed list and also
being an X11 user I have two observations:
1. X11 is very rarely updated once a new cat is released.
2. It can sometimes take an incredibly long time (many weeks)
between the time a bug is fixed and when it makes actually it
into the next 10.x.y release.
Given that X11 in 10.5.0 is effectively unusable, can we get
some kind of inkling that all the X11 goodness pouring out of
you has a chance of making it into 10.5.1? Apple has just
started seeding 10.5.1 betas and I'm already marginally
worried that anything submitted now for X11 may miss the final
cut. That certainly happened with TCL/TK. However, IF there is
a chance then I'm guessing NOW is the time to start worrying
about bug fix priorities and I'd like to think the studio
audience here has an opportunity to help prioritize these.
This, of course, is a strong function of just how deep and
insidious some of these bugs are, but if you believe there is
a short list of bite-sized bug fixes that we could vote on for
10.5.1 then would it be possible to post that list?
I realize this may have the potential to turn into something
ugly depending on how passionate people get. Anyway, given
that your latest X11 is in fairly good shape, I'd rather see
you take a small break from fixing bugs IF your time is
required to ensure an updated X11 in 10.5.1. Maybe I've just
got an arrogant and selfish viewpoint - wouldn't be the first
time I've been accused of that :-)
Mick
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