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Re: X11 2.2.2
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Re: X11 2.2.2


  • Subject: Re: X11 2.2.2
  • From: Jeremy Huddleston <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:44:28 -0700


On Jun 15, 2008, at 09:12, Bill Campbell wrote:

I am a latecomer to Leopard, having just installed it yesterday on my
titanium Powerbook, updated to 10.5.3, and run Migration Assistant to bring
everything over from the old hard drive.


When I try to start X11, either by clicking X11 or starting an xterm from a
Terminal window, it just hangs. I am downloading this package now to see
if that fixes this problem.

What happens when you type 'echo $DISPLAY' in Terminal.app?

My main reason for posting though isn't that, but in reaction to the
section ``Deprecated Software''. I strongly think that it is a very Bad
Idea(tm) to leave the imake and xmkmf out of the package as this breaks
packages that require these to build. It's not as though this part of X11
is huge or changes frequently.

There are a multitude of posts in the archives debating this point, and I'm not going to reiterate beyond this:


imake and xmkmf are broken. Including them means that I would need to support them and fix them. The fact that they "work" for you is, well... lucky. Some packages "need" them to build. Those packages should be updated to a new build system if they want to build on *ANY* modern X11 system (this is not just for Xquartz)

Doing a quick check through the OpenPKG portable package management
system's packages, I find the following packages that use these, and there
are some others like ``ddd'' that I didn't see with this check.


	magicpoint        slide show
	tightvnc
	x11-ssh-askpass
	xfig              Vector Drawing
	transfig          Vector Drawing (used by xfig)
	viewfax           fast tiff/f fax viewer
	xaw3d
	xpm

Of these, I use xfig/transfig and viewfax frequently.

And macports, fink, etc can build/install their own copies of imake/ xmkmf if they want to support them to build these packages... or the distributers of those packages can update their build system... after all, imake and xmkmf were deprecated in 2005!


--Jeremy
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