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Re: X11 2.2.2
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Re: X11 2.2.2


  • Subject: Re: X11 2.2.2
  • From: Bill Campbell <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:33:28 -0700
  • Mail-followup-to: email@hidden

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008, Jeremy Huddleston wrote:
>
>On Jun 15, 2008, at 09:12, Bill Campbell wrote:
>
>>I am a latecomer to Leopard, having just installed it yesterday on my
>>titanium Powerbook, updated to 10.5.3, and run Migration Assistant
>>to bring
>>everything over from the old hard drive.
>>
>>When I try to start X11, either by clicking X11 or starting an xterm
>>from a
>>Terminal window, it just hangs.  I am downloading this package now
>>to see
>>if that fixes this problem.
>
>What happens when you type 'echo $DISPLAY' in Terminal.app?

I get the funky thing pointing to /tmp/soething.  It's working
now that I installed the 2.2.2 package.  My X11 use is not nearly
as complicated or demanding as many on this list.  I typically
have between 20 and 30 ssh/xterms open to a multitude of Linux
and FreeBSD systems, so I click on the X11.app, exec ssh-agent,
then go about my business from there.

Other than xterms, I run a few python tKinter applications, the
gimp, and occassionally firefox on a Linux box to access
something on localhost (e.g. 3ware management).

>>My main reason for posting though isn't that, but in reaction to the
>>section ``Deprecated Software''.  I strongly think that it is a very
>>Bad
>>Idea(tm) to leave the imake and xmkmf out of the package as this
>>breaks
>>packages that require these to build.  It's not as though this part
>>of X11
>>is huge or changes frequently.
>
>There are a multitude of posts in the archives debating this point,
>and I'm not going to reiterate beyond this:
>
>imake and xmkmf are broken.  Including them means that I would need to
>support them and fix them.  The fact that they "work" for you is,
>well... lucky.  Some packages "need" them to build.  Those packages
>should be updated to a new build system if they want to build on *ANY*
>modern X11 system (this is not just for Xquartz)

I won't say much beyond saying that ``should'' is problematic.
There are many things I ``should'' do with software I have
developed over the 26 years I've been working on *nix systems,
but most times, if they're working, I don't have time to fix
them, much less dig into something like xfig or transfig.

>>Doing a quick check through the OpenPKG portable package management
>>system's packages, I find the following packages that use these, and
>>there
>>are some others like ``ddd'' that I didn't see with this check.
>>
>>	magicpoint        slide show
>>	tightvnc
>>	x11-ssh-askpass
>>	xfig              Vector Drawing
>>	transfig          Vector Drawing (used by xfig)
>>	viewfax           fast tiff/f fax viewer
>>	xaw3d
>>	xpm
>>
>>Of these, I use xfig/transfig and viewfax frequently.
>
>And macports, fink, etc can build/install their own copies of imake/
>xmkmf if they want to support them to build these packages... or the
>distributers of those packages can update their build system... after
>all, imake and xmkmf were deprecated in 2005!

I have deprecated the use of MS-Windows for 20 years, but it hasn't
gone away yet :-).

Bill
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