Re: problems installing xquartz
Re: problems installing xquartz
- Subject: Re: problems installing xquartz
- From: Erik Olson <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:25:38 -0800
> 1) It's network transparent. This is really the beauty of it all. You
> can execute your app on one host, and display the results on a
> different one, and the system is designed from scratch to handle
> exactly that. The app doesn't even know about it.I agree, remote X11 display is a fantastically wonderful feature. The ability to run my software on a large supercomputer and display it remotely over the Internet is incredibly powerful. With a good enough ping time it's just like being there. VNC does not compare.
> 1) Performance. There is no way X11 can compete with a graphics system
> that talks directly to your turbo-mega-super graphics board. If
> you're doing video/games/computation visualization/CAD/... then X11
> is not your solution.
I disagree. I am very happy with the X11 graphics performance of my scientific visualization software. Even with Xquartz being an extra cog in the Mac OS X graphics pipeline, the performance is impressive, more impressive than one would expect. Maybe you are referring to 3D graphics, if so I can't comment on that since http://baudline.com is a 2D signal analysis tool.
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Brandon Allbery
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On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jim Graham
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On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:19:13AM +0100, Lars-Johan Liman wrote:
>
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> > My point is that, as user interfaces go, X11 is pretty sucky. (There are
> > very good reasons why there's a big push for Wayland.) Especially on OS X,
> > I'm usually much happier using the native GUI; and on Linux the GUI
> > experience just feels cobbled together --- which it is, because X11
> > is.
>
> I would argue that X11 is not a user interface - it's a network
> transparent framwork for displaying graphics on screens which may not be
> directly connected to the piece of equipment you're sitting at.
Entirely correct --- but this, from a user experience standpoint, is its biggest failing. I submit for your consideration copy/paste (one of the most frequent user issues in the xmonad community): not only are there multiple incompatible copy/paste systems, but you cannot make xterm behave in the same way that other programs do without source hacks. And, of course, it's quite impossible to make X11 programs on OS X behave like native programs; there are always small but annoying oddities at best, and often complete dissonance.
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brandon s allbery kf8nh sine nomine associates
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