Re: Complaints about Mac OS X and Xcode and whatever else -- A better way to give feedback to Apple?????
Re: Complaints about Mac OS X and Xcode and whatever else -- A better way to give feedback to Apple?????
- Subject: Re: Complaints about Mac OS X and Xcode and whatever else -- A better way to give feedback to Apple?????
- From: Joar Wingfors <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:37:06 -0700
This discussion is quickly veering off topic for the xcode-users mailing list. Please steer it back on topic, or otherwise take it elsewhere.
In response to the comments made in this thread so far: Please continue to file bug reports and enhancement requests. The engineering team receives, reads and appreciates every single one of them. Our work is greatly influenced and improved by constructive feedback from our community of developers.
Thanks,
Joar
On 13 mar 2012, at 16:58, Alex Zavatone wrote:
> I don't expect anything to be done about the comments. Whether I submit them to Apple or whether someone else does.
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> The fact that Lion shipped the way it did tells us loud and clear that no matter what we say, it isn't going to matter.
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> The reason I spelled these things out are so that people see WHY these are bad decisions and choices, if they did not know already or had become deadened to them.
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> If someone else wants to be the champion, go for it. But I see nothing that indicates that Apple will listen.
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> By the way, I was just in the Apple Store getting my Gen 4 iPod Touch replaced - they can't change the OS back to pre 5.1 - and I pressed command option L in Safari on 10.7.3.
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> Did it open up the Downloads window?
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> No. It did not.
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> Why?
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> Because this functionality only exists when there is or has been a download in the downloads queue. In short, that command doesn't work all the time unlike the previous standard of "it's a window you can open at any time." Hell, it's not even a window anymore.
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> With this change, Apple has created inconsistent functionality, breaking its own precedent and former HUI guidelines of predictable and consistent behaviour.
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> The very fact that Apple's major apps ship like this tells me loud and clear that the Apple that inspired us is gone and now it's just a glossy money making machine and there is little to nothing that we can do to change it.
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> That little (read: useless) console window in Xcode speaks volumes Igor, doesn't it?
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> On Mar 13, 2012, at 7:39 PM, Igor Delovski wrote:
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>> We remember all the initial negativity connected to introduction of the iPad. And to almost every iPhone that was released. Then each of them turn into a huge success.
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>> I see no way for Apple to distinguish the things we say here about Xcode and what people said about iPad. That's why I think Xcode 4 is here to stay. Just to clarify myself, I hate Xcode 4 and can't see how anyone can work with it, but I love my iDevices. I must admit that adding arrow keys to the keyboard would be great, especially when used together with the shift key, but, al in all, iOS is so cool.
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>> On the other hand, just one look for example at the tiny console "window" in Xcode 4 makes me wonder if anyone at Apple uses Xcode for their work.
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>> Igor
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>> --- On Tue, 3/13/12, Bob Freeman <email@hidden> wrote:
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>> From: Bob Freeman <email@hidden>
>> Subject: Complaints about Mac OS X and Xcode and whatever else -- A better way to give feedback to Apple?????
>> To: email@hidden
>> Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 11:44 PM
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>> Perhaps it's time for people to start giving feedback to Apple about things they don't like about OS X or Xcode or whatever else is causing them problems.
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>> Give it a try - you do it and then tell all your friends to use the feedback mechanism, and tell them to tell all their friends to use it. If enough people let Apple know there is a problem, they can try and do something about it.
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>> It can't hurt and I've got to assume they read things from the feedback web site at http://www.apple.com/feedback -- Perhaps it would be a better way to express criticism and frustration with how things don't work or are causing problems?? Otherwise they wouldn't even have the site there. Surely things submitted there don't go to a black hole, do they?
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>> My $0.02 worth...
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>> -Bob
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