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Re: Ugra/Fogra Media Wedge v3.0
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Re: Ugra/Fogra Media Wedge v3.0

  • Subject: Re: Ugra/Fogra Media Wedge v3.0
  • From: Terence Wyse <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:21:21 -0400
A quick aside....do you know of any, or have any, larger targets that will
work with the automated XRite DTP70 reader using ProfileMaker 5.0? The
default in the program is a fairly limited patch count of 1508 for CMYK.


Sure, with PMPro's Measure Tool you can create your own custom charts. I think the only limitation is 25,000 patches (could be wrong on that but that's what I recall).

If you want to use a more-or-less "standard" chart, you could fashion one from the X-Rite/Monaco 2989 patch target . It works pretty well and can be formatted to fit on a single page.

The EASY way to do this is to simply download the (free) X-Rite ColorPort application and use the presets they already have for the 2989 patch chart and the DTP70. Measure it in ColorPort, save as a ProfileMaker 5.0 measurement data file and import this into PMPro. Couldn't be simpler.

Terry


On Sep 5, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Robert Rock wrote:

Terence,
A quick aside....do you know of any, or have any, larger targets that will
work with the automated XRite DTP70 reader using ProfileMaker 5.0? The
default in the program is a fairly limited patch count of 1508 for CMYK.

Thanks,
Bob Rock

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From: colorsync-users-bounces+bobrock=email@hidden
[mailto:colorsync-users-bounces +bobrock=email@hidden] On
Behalf Of Terence Wyse
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:59 AM
To: colorsync-users
Subject: Re: Ugra/Fogra Media Wedge v3.0

Martin,

Open up your MX4 and look at the dE stats and you'll probably find
that 0/100/0/100 and 100/0/0/100 are a couple of the worst patches.
There's a couple of ways you might be able to improve things; 1) use a
much larger chart (4,000+ patches) to build the gamut file for the MX4
or 2) you may have to modify your starting MX3 files. Look at the
Printer Gradation values in the MX3 calibration file you're using and
see if the magenta channel is maxed out to 100%.

I've got a 10,000 patch chart that I use for gamut files that really
seems to help (generally on the 2nd iteration you're done with no more
improvements after that). It's about 4 pages on an iSis so it's not
all that bad. Let me know if you're interested in it.

Later,
Terry

On Sep 5, 2008, at 6:37 AM, Klaus Karcher wrote:

Martin Orpen schrieb:
Anybody using the latest Fogra Media Wedge? 

me not yet.

If you are, what sort of results are you getting for patch A22 --
it's ruining my approval stickers by scoring 4.4dE on ISO Coated
v2 :-(
Running GMG SemiMatte paper through an Epson 9880. Everything apart
from patch A22 is incredibly tight.


I guess is a gamut issue: A22 is one of only two patches that are
really close to the  bottom of the color space in MediaWedge3:

SAMPLE_NAME SAMPLE_ID CMYK_C CMYK_M CMYK_Y CMYK_K LAB_L LAB_A  LAB_B
      A22        22      0    100      0    100 10.42 13.93   1.35
      B22        46    100      0      0    100 10.41 -8.20 -10.25

the the next two dark patches are significantly lighter:

SAMPLE_NAME SAMPLE_ID CMYK_C CMYK_M CMYK_Y CMYK_K LAB_L LAB_A  LAB_B
      A21        21      0      0      0    100 16.00  0.00   0.00
      C22        70      0      0    100    100 15.71 -3.08  11.68

How about other dark patches (taken directly from FOGRA39)?:

SAMPLE_ID CMYK_C CMYK_M CMYK_Y CMYK_K LAB_L  LAB_A  LAB_B
   1262      0    100      0    100 10.42  13.93   1.35
   1265     40    100      0    100  9.02  10.92  -1.89
   1266    100      0      0    100 10.41  -8.20 -10.25
   1267    100     40      0    100  9.08  -2.40  -9.23
   1268    100    100      0    100  7.88   5.79  -5.94
   1271      0    100     40    100 10.73  11.61   4.24
   1274     40    100     40    100  9.56   8.14   1.37
   1275    100      0     40    100 10.65 -11.29  -4.22
   1276    100     40     40    100  9.57  -5.16  -4.00
   1277    100    100     40    100  8.23   2.66  -2.38
   1283     40    100    100    100 10.13   4.96   4.97
   1285    100     40    100    100 10.16  -7.44   2.67
   1286    100    100    100    100  8.71  -0.07   2.06
   1399    100     85     85    100  8.88  -0.95   1.18
   1400     80     65     65    100  9.74  -1.01   0.31


BTW.: IMHO it's a pity that FOGRA didn't include 100/85/85/100 or
100/100/100/100 into the new MediaWedge -- these patches have the
least Delta E to 0/0/0, i.e they are most dark and neutral colors in
FOGRA39 and good benchmarks for the lower gamut boundary of a
proofing systems:

SAMPLE_ID CMYK_C CMYK_M CMYK_Y CMYK_K LAB_L LAB_A LAB_B DE00_to0
   1286    100    100    100    100  8.71 -0.07  2.06 5.542540
   1399    100     85     85    100  8.88 -0.95  1.18 5.575778

Klaus

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