Re: FOGRA52 & i1Profiler [subject corrected]
Re: FOGRA52 & i1Profiler [subject corrected]
- Subject: Re: FOGRA52 & i1Profiler [subject corrected]
- From: Andreas Kraushaar <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 22:04:59 +0200
Hi Martin,
I must admit that I don’t fully understand your point.
What exactly is your expectation? Can you express it as technical as possible?
And do you have a proposed change (e.g. another profile addressing uncoated
OBArich paper) that I can challenge?
regards
Andy
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> Am 10.09.2017 um 13:00 schrieb Martin Orpen <email@hidden>:
>
>
>> On 10 Sep 2017, at 09:01, Andreas Kraushaar <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>> However we see this not for 80% of the use cases but for some high quality
>> demanding customers that now need to optimise their colour server color
>> transforms. This is something you can expect from distinguished prepress
>> house.
>> You cannot solve this problem with V2/V4 compliant ICC profiles!
>
>
> Andreas
>
> This is a big problem for the (few remaining) repro houses still in business
> :(
>
> We have been using ISO Uncoated & PSO Uncoated on papers with OBA for many
> years.
>
> I’ve never felt the need, or ever been asked by a client, to make the images
> printed on a blue white paper more blue.
>
> Yet that is what 52 does.
>
> But, more annoying than the colour just being wrong, the ECI profile has more
> yellow than the 52 data produces in *any* other profile building software —
> which entirely breaks the usefulness of an ICC workflow.
>
> GMG (and probably other non-ICC solutions providers) are doing their own
> thing and producing separations with boosted yellow to neutralise the blue
> throughout the separation — an expensive method of continuing to favour 47L :)
>
> With all other standards we have been able to enhance the separations of a
> relatively small number of images in jobs where hundreds of images are thrown
> at us from many different sources, and in different states and colour spaces.
>
> With 52, we will have to repeparate *everything* in a job just because a
> single image needs different K generation!
>
> And, what is worse, we will not be able to send those CMYK images back to the
> client because they will reject them as soon as they open them up in
> Photoshop and complain about how yellow they are!
>
> Obviously 51 & 52 will eventually cause the end of OBA-free proofing media
> and all non-OBA proofing standards.
>
> I really don’t think that 52 good enough to merit the deprecation of 47 (and
> 51 is only slightly less bad because the blueness is slightly less obvious).
>
> Regards
>
> --
> Martin Orpen
> Idea Digital Imaging Ltd
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