Re: A "Why WebObjects" Site / Initial Thoughts Please
Re: A "Why WebObjects" Site / Initial Thoughts Please
- Subject: Re: A "Why WebObjects" Site / Initial Thoughts Please
- From: Nathan Dumar <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:06:38 -0400
Ashley, the seminar you describe obviously goes perfectly with the
theme so far established. Maybe consider selling DVDs of your seminar
either on whywebobjects or from another site via a link from
whywebobjects. From the site you could also sell your service for live
seminars. Personally, I'd love to see the seminar ... but Australia is
a long way away.
Nathan
On Jul 9, 2004, at 10:45 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote:
Hi Michael and list members,
I agree with what you say.
On 08/07/2004, at 12:51 AM, Michael Henderson wrote:
One important advocacy effort would be to develop some presentations
for Java User Group meetings, particularly interactive
application development. EOModel -> D2W, EOModel -> D2JC, EOModel ->
SOAP service
This is basically the seminar/demonstration I give to IT managers and
developers (with some extra explanations and some basic WO stuff too -
so they don't think it is all or nothing high-level development). It
is exceptionally well received whenever I present (for 2 hours) and
some people even want to buy WO there an then (they suggest I should
be working for Apple sales ;-). Why isn't Apple doing this?
For anyone following the J2EE world there is a movement now to
"lightweight" solutions (Struts, Spring, Hibernate) and O-R mapping
has come into it's own.
I've also mentioned this a couple of times on the lists. It also shows
that J2EE (the standard) is missing something between light-weight
JSP/JDBC and heavy-weight JSP/EJB/CMP. As you say, people are moving
to new solutions like Struts, Spring, Tapestry, Hibernate and Cayenne.
NOW is really the time when Apple should be pushing WebObjects rather
than giving up on selling it.
They were just too early for the market earlier on ... I remember
they gave some training courses in Aus around 1996 ... unfortunately
most of those attending didn't even know OO ... let alone understand
OO frameworks and Object-Relational Mapping. A similar problem (being
too early) exists with JavaClient (business-side objects) and the D2*
technologies.
So the early bird seems to miss the worm if they go home before the
sun rises ;-)
Cheers,
Ashley.
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