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  • Subject: Re: Any WWDC News
  • From: Trae Nickelson <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:52:40 -0500

Owen,

You've done everything right. You have selected the best tool out there. You've probably learned to use the tool with considerable mastery. I have too. A lot of us have. You love the tool. I do too. We all do.

But maybe it's time to stop making excuses for Apple and the WO team. You, Owen, deserve better. We all do.

I know it's easy for me to spout my frustrations sitting here in Houston, Texas. I might be more reserved and retain a higher sense of loyalty and patience if I were there in San Francisco with you, Berney, and the others. But from this angle, it looks like you and the others there have just been crapped on for the nth year in a row. I'm pissed for you, even if you are not.

How much more can you take, Owen? "WO isn't actually going anywhere..." - I've become convinced that you couldn't be more right. WO isn't going anywhere! Lack of man power? Lack of resources? That's exactly the problem!

Maybe next year's the year, right? I told myself that too several times over the past 2 days. It was too familiar of a feeling - the same I had for the previous 5 or so years - and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I have now recognized that hope as mild insanity.

Look, I won't jump to a lesser product either. I'm stuck for now. But I'm not going to hold hope for WebObjects under Apple's direction anymore. I think that we have seen the beginning of the end here.

That being said, I'm not opting for a graceful exit. I will still subscribe to the lists. Some of you will likely get tired of hearing from me - I apologize in advance. I won't litter the list with random rants. I know we are all trying to get work done and this is a developers technical forum. But when the occasional newbie wanders in with the obligatory "Why WebObjects?" question, I will be vocally honest with them. I would hope all of us would. They should know what they're in for.

Who knows, if we all just shake things up a bit, maybe something good will come of it.

I am forever the optimist.

Trae


On Jun 30, 2004, at 3:37 PM, Owen McKerrow wrote:

Whoooo. Big decision.

I was at the same session. I to came away feeling disappointed. BUT WO isn't actually going anywhere, true its not progressing as fast as we would like but as they stressed during teh session, Apple, internal Apple, relies far to heavily on WebObjects to just let it die. And when you hear about the other things they are doing (Apple) it doesn't surprise me that some technologies aren't being updated simply due to lack of man power, its unfortunate that once again WO is one of these.
But as you said yourself its a great App/Framework/All in one wizz bang sandwich maker, so why jump ship ? Why jump to a lesser product ?
Apple know there is problems with WO, they want/need to fix them, and they did say they will, but not this year.
Am I annoyed ? Hell yeah. BUT I don't see any reason just yet to YELL Abandon Ship!


Owen
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 >Re: Any WWDC News (From: Trae Nickelson <email@hidden>)
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