Re: WebObjects 5.3
Re: WebObjects 5.3
- Subject: Re: WebObjects 5.3
- From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:49:22 -0700
On Jun 8, 2005, at 7:18 AM, Karl wrote:
The 'unsupported' nature does not worry me at all. Its Java, pure and
simple.
For now. One thing that finally occurred to me this morning is that
Apple is now free to leverage OS X technologies to extend WebObjects
(I'm thinking Java wrappers using native calls into functionality in
CoreImage etc. ). If they did that, at least those portions would only
run on OS X.
Chuck
How many people are still buying Solaris boxes to deploy WO?
There are some people around that need to do this.
It seems to me that the most likely non-Apple deployment scenario is
Linux. We all know just how easy it is to deploy to Linux under
Tomcat or JBoss...and Apple clearly said that they are certainly not
going to break that.
I got the impression that the license key issue might just disappear
in future.
Yes, there seems to be little point in maintaining now.
Chuck
On 7-Jun-05, at 11:56 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Jun 7, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Karl wrote:
Well it is great news. Good to have WO as part of the mainstream
MacOS X tools.
Yes, I agree. This does indicate very clearly that Apple intends to
move WO forward and is putting some resources behind it.
The legal response was very clear today from Apple:
WO 5.3 is only SUPPORTED on MacOS X 10.4.
Nothing has been done to stop it running on anything else. Indeed,
the licenses now no longer check for platform specifics.
There are two things that make me nervous here. One is that unless
they state that they won't do otherwise, Apple can make the license
platform specific in the future. Second, while technically feasible,
deploying on unsupported platforms is a hard sell to customers.
Development is free but only on MacOS X.
And the OS X only part should not come as a surprise. Apple has
clearly been moving in that direction.
Deployment requires a license. The only way to buy a license is a)
to get it free with Xserve or b) to buy MacOS X Server - US$499 for
10 client (no impact on WO so why pay $999 for unlimited?)
So it is all excellent. US$100 price cut for deployment if you are
not on Mac hardware and free dev seats.
And for those using xServes, it is fully free. Not quite open
source, but the next best thing - freeware closed source.
What is there not to like about that? Also, WOBuilder does a nice
job now too...and, of course, requires MacOS X.
There is lots to like here. WO is free on the most cost effective
platform. The aging tools have been updated. WO has been brought
into xCode and is being moved forward. Even if I am not overly fond
of xCode for Java, this is a very positive move for WebObjects. If
some of the more vexing bugs in xCode 1.x have been eliminated I
might even start to grudgingly tolerate it ;-) Still, I find the
deployment scenario troubling. It is not that I really want to
deploy on anything other than an xServe. Far from it - xServes have
been great for us. But having a cross platform Java web based
solution that is supported only on one platform is going to make it a
harder sell. You have vendor lock-in in on the software libraries
and the hardware. For a lot of shops, that is going to be a big, red
flag.
Chuck
On 7-Jun-05, at 10:23 PM, Cliff Tuel wrote:
would you mind asking someone from Apple for us so that we can get
some sort
of official statement on that licensing bit (where can I deploy,
on what
platform,
We're engineers, not lawyers. The license agreement, shown when
you install
5.3, should speak for itself. We're not here to give you legal
advice.
do I still need a license
Yes.
why does Apple still sell 5.2 in its online store...)
Which reminds me, just an hour ago I saw a boxed copy of 5.2 for
sale at the
San Francisco retail store!
P.S. I hope everyone appreciates the major point of 5.3: it's now a
part of
the mainstream developer tools, and from now on will get the
attention and
visibility it deserves. WebObjects is no longer a second-class
neglected
technology. I think that's outstanding news!
-- Cliff Tuel . http://apple.com/services/technicalsupport
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