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Andrew, you're talking down to me, and you can use your straw-man argument
with someone else, please. You're purposely misreading me and grandstanding
about it.
He does that alot.
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1. silence (email@hidden)
2. Re: The silence is deafening (Marco Ugolini)
3. Re: X-Rite ColorMunki experience (ColorBurst Systems)
4. Re: The silence is deafening (Mike Eddington)
5. Re: The silence is deafening (mo)
6. Re: The silence is deafening (Andrew Rodney)
7. Re: X-Rite ColorMunki experience (ColorBurst Systems)
8. Re: The silence is deafening (Mark Segal)
9. Re: The silence is deafening (Andrew Rodney)
10. Fw: The silence is deafening (MARK SEGAL)
11. Re: The silence is deafening (Steve Upton)
12. Re: The silence is deafening (Andrew Rodney)
13. Re: Can you elaborate how you envisage using Gutenprint as a
RIP? (Robert Krawitz)
14. Re: The silence is deafening (Marco Ugolini)
15. Re: unfavorable X-Rite ColorMunki experience (Robert Krawitz)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:14:58 -0700
From: email@hidden
Subject: silence
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I am wondering if there might be a vacuum that some enterprising color
guru/programmer might be able to fill. Hint hint.
Personally I always become very nervous when the competition narrows to
this level.
Dan Burbank
Iridio - An R.R. Donnelley Company
5050 First Avenue S.
Seattle, WA 98134
t 206.826.3352
c 206.718.8655
www.iridio.com
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:25:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Marco Ugolini <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: The silence is deafening
To: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>, Mike Eddington
<email@hidden>, email@hidden
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Andrew Rodney wrote:
>They are? Where and when did they promise to tell anyone outside the
company
>what their plans were?
You don't need to tell anyone: you buy the company, it *becomes* your
responsibility to look after your client base, which includes doing
something to make them feel like they're not being abandoned after they
plunked down a good chunk of their money for the products they own.
>Do you expect Adobe, Apple or any other company to inform you of their
>plans?
Andrew, you're talking down to me, and you can use your straw-man argument
with someone else, please. You're purposely misreading me and grandstanding
about it.
> IF indeed you are a professional user of color management X-Rite
>(and GMB who really started this years ago) were not aiming to impress
you.
Mission accomplished, then.
>Unless the company is going out of the color management business,
>something's coming. When, you'll just have to wait and see like everyone
>else.
My point, clearly missed, is that we've being waiting a good G-D long time
already. It doesn't seem to bother you too much, but the rest of us common
mortals cannot afford the luxury of your insider's connections. So we are
left wondering WTF is happening. Is that allowed? Is my point clearer now?
Best.
Marco Ugolini
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 15:39:42 -0400
From: ColorBurst Systems <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: X-Rite ColorMunki experience
To: ColorSync List <email@hidden>
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Hi Scott,
You're absolutely correct. ProSumer and even Avid ProSumer are appropriate.
I don't know that I could meet Gracol/Swop Certification with new
Media ICC Profiles built from ColorMunki, and that was the
distinction that I was trying to make.
We are looking into being able to use ColorMunki for re-Linearization
of our Gracol/Swop Certified ENV/Profiles (www.Swop.org) that are
built w/ SpectralVision Pro w/ 2989 patches.
There's a very good chance this will calibrate an Epson Printer
within specs for submitting Proofs to the Print House. Our Epson
Bundled - ColorBurst Edition can not have new Media ICC Profiles
added but it can have a new Lin file. If this works w/ ColorMunki,
it's an economical solution for Ad Agencies and Design Studios.
Regards,
Larry Spevak
ColorBurst
At 12:27 PM 5/8/08, Scott Martin wrote:
>On May 8, 2008, at 9:55 AM, ColorBurst Systems wrote:
>
>>Generally, the finished Print from ColorMunki's ICC Profile is "
>>Very Good + " but not "Excellent". For most people, it will be more
>>than adequate, especially in the Photo and Fine Art markets.
>
>Those in the Photo and Fine Art markets might understandably take
>that the wrong way! :-] I personally find a good portion of the fine
>art market to be among the most advanced and demanding users out
>there. Isn't a fair percentage of your product aimed at the photo
>and fine art markets? Perhaps you should say "the average user",
>"prosumer" or somesuch.
>
>I also agree that the munki profiles are very good but not as
>excellent as what I'm seeing with MP using larger targets.
>
>Scott Martin
><http://www.on-sight.com>www.on-sight.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:50:14 -0400
From: Mike Eddington <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: The silence is deafening
To: Marco Ugolini <email@hidden>,
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I understand you point Marco, and I'm as curious as you are as to what
will happen with these products, which is why I inquired about it a
while back to begin with. I merely offered my opinion to those who
might be holding off on a purchase in the hopes of a new product
release in the near future...wouldn't personally hold my breath, and
would be leery of any Munki-Pro solution. Per Andrews point, Xrite
is usually pretty tight lipped about new developments, and I didn't
expect a revealing answer then, nor do I now unfortunately. Its been
awhile since anything new from Xrite, yes, but they've been busy
assimilating companies. ;)
Mike
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:11:06 -0700
From: mo <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: The silence is deafening
To: Mike Eddington <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
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Well the way I see it is that as with anything, the middle class is
going to get squeezed into vapor. Either X-rite makes dummy software
or gets bought out by a RIP manufacture after it gets done eating up
other companies so it can have some market value.
My perspective is pretty clear from my chair.
mo
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:30:28 -0600
From: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: The silence is deafening
To: Marco Ugolini <email@hidden>, Mike Eddington
<email@hidden>, <email@hidden>
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On 5/8/08 1:25 PM, "Marco Ugolini" wrote:
> You don't need to tell anyone: you buy the company, it *becomes* your
> responsibility to look after your client base, which includes doing
something
> to make them feel like they're not being abandoned after they plunked
down a
> good chunk of their money for the products they own.
How have they not (as yet) looked after their client base? There isn't a
newer version out that you want yet. So if Adobe comes out with a new
version of CS suite every 18 months or so, we're supposed to expect that
schedule and maybe even demand it on an earlier schedule? Now lets see, how
long did it take for MS to update Office?
> My point, clearly missed, is that we've being waiting a good G-D long
time
> already.
Says you.
> It doesn't seem to bother you too much, but the rest of us common mortals
> cannot afford the luxury of your insider's connections. So we are left
> wondering WTF is happening. Is that allowed? Is my point clearer now?
No, you're going to have to keep wondering because its not the
responsibility of the company to tell you anything other than "we just
released a new version and here are the features and upgrade fees". They
own
you nothing in terms of a software schedule.
You paid X dollars for a product, its still working, you still have tech
support for that product. X-Rite, nor any software company HAS to update
their software, any more than you HAVE to buy the upgrade. It keeps them in
business but its not a gun to their heads to develop a newer product and
its
certainly not a requirement they tell you what they have planned.
Andrew Rodney
http://www.digitaldog.net/>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 16:33:11 -0400
From: ColorBurst Systems <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: X-Rite ColorMunki experience
To: <email@hidden>
Message-ID: <email@hidden>
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Hello John,
The critical key about supporting Transparencies is that the Language
of PostScript Level 3 pre-dates Transparent elements from
Applications such as CS2, CS3, and Quark 7.
Therefore, Printing to PostScript, Saving as EPS, and Saving directly
as PDF 1.3 format all cause the Transparencies to Flatten and
knock-out the lower level elements. In addition, the region of a
dropped shadow that overlays a Pantone Vector Color will have two
colors. The rectangle around the dropped shadow is converted to image
data and processed by the Input Profile while the surrounding region
remains a Named (Pantone) Vector Spot which gets converted (if
properly done) from it's Looked-up Lab value to the Output Profile.
From the Applications of CS2 & CS3, you can Export to a 1st
generation PDF. By using the settings of "High Quality Print", "PDF
1.5 format", and "PDF/X = None" (very important), you will be
creating a PDF that has all of its internal color elements in their
native color space. Nothing is being pre-processed, converted, or
flattened. RGB, CMYK, Grayscale, Lab, Vector Spot, embedded ICC
Profiles, and the "Live Transparencies" are all saved as part of this PDF
file.
As a test, we've saved to EPS or Print PostSript and then processed
through Distiller to a PDF. Unfortunately, it's too late. The
Transparencies were flattened in the first step. The 2nd generation
PDF can not resurrect the Transparencies.
Regards,
Larry Spevak
ColorBurst
At 02:54 PM 5/8/08, John W Lund wrote:
>Hello,
>
>First, I want to offer a big thank you, to both Tom Lianza and Larry
Spevak,
>for interesting, useful & timely contributions to this thread.
>
>As someone having successfully used the ColorBurst RIP for years, for
>proofing & for fine art printing as well, I wanted to offer a bit of a
>contrary observation about the statement referenced below. It's been my
>experience that some of Adobe's more ambitious product features (e.g.,
>building files combining tints of spot colors with transparent elements)
are
>frequently unprintable, whether run through RGB printer drivers, various
>RIPs - even "printing" to older versions of Adobe's own pdf format.
>
>I assume this is related to the fact that Postscript just doesn't support
>things like transparency, so the applications must be performing some sort
>of coding contortions 'behind the scenes' to get these features to work.
>Even with the ColorBurst RIP, I find it necessary to have the application
>(say, Illustrator) handle flattening, and converting all spot colors to
>process prior to sending the print job to the RIP. (CB tech support
>recommends printing to pdf first) Whatever the issues, I wish that I could
>get the RIP to handle this instead - to retain Xproof's better spot color
>simulation, for example.
>
>Thinking about this makes me wonder if Mr. Lianza's complaint about color
>managed printing being broken is, if anything, optimistic. After all, even
>the various Adobe apps - PS, AI, ID & Acrobat - don't seem to share a
common
>print architecture. They don't even share the same print UI (or color
>management UI, for that matter!). Makes the prospect for OS's & printer
>manufacturer's coming up with a coherent approach seem even less likely (I
>hope I'm wrong)...
>
>
>Regards,
>
>John Lund
>JWL Images
>Emeryville, CA
>
>
>
>
>ColorBurst Systems <email@hidden> wrote (in part):
>
>...<big snip>...
>
> > When Applications attempt to perform color management they can flatten
> > elements (losing transparencies), convert Pantones to Process without
the
> > benefit of starting from a single Lab reference. Therefore, two
Pantones of
> > the same color - from different sources like an embedded EPS and a
Document
> > Spot Color will not print the same, and the list goes on, and on, and
on.
> >
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 16:50:44 -0400
From: "Mark Segal" <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: The silence is deafening
To: "Andrew Rodney" <email@hidden>, "Marco
Ugolini"
<email@hidden>, "Mike Eddington"
<email@hidden>,
<email@hidden>
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Andrew,
What you say about their obligations - or lack thereof - is correct. What
I find strange however is that they pulled some very good stuff off the
market without having improved materials to replace them with. This is
somewhat unusual, isn't it? What is the thinking behind that? Saving on
costs by not having to service as much product they don't intend to sustain
over the longer run? Maybe. Sometimes things that make commercial sense
don't always make sense to consumers. But since they are now about the only
game in town, the only choice we seem to have is "grin (or not grin) and
bear it", no?
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Rodney
To: Marco Ugolini ; Mike Eddington ; email@hidden
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: The silence is deafening
On 5/8/08 1:25 PM, "Marco Ugolini" wrote:
> You don't need to tell anyone: you buy the company, it *becomes* your
> responsibility to look after your client base, which includes doing
something
> to make them feel like they're not being abandoned after they plunked
down a
> good chunk of their money for the products they own.
How have they not (as yet) looked after their client base? There isn't a
newer version out that you want yet. So if Adobe comes out with a new
version of CS suite every 18 months or so, we're supposed to expect that
schedule and maybe even demand it on an earlier schedule? Now lets see,
how
long did it take for MS to update Office?
> My point, clearly missed, is that we've being waiting a good G-D long
time
> already.
Says you.
> It doesn't seem to bother you too much, but the rest of us common
mortals
> cannot afford the luxury of your insider's connections. So we are left
> wondering WTF is happening. Is that allowed? Is my point clearer now?
No, you're going to have to keep wondering because its not the
responsibility of the company to tell you anything other than "we just
released a new version and here are the features and upgrade fees". They
own
you nothing in terms of a software schedule.
You paid X dollars for a product, its still working, you still have tech
support for that product. X-Rite, nor any software company HAS to update
their software, any more than you HAVE to buy the upgrade. It keeps them
in
business but its not a gun to their heads to develop a newer product and
its
certainly not a requirement they tell you what they have planned.
Andrew Rodney
http://www.digitaldog.net/
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 15:47:52 -0600
From: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: The silence is deafening
To: Mark Segal <email@hidden>, Marco Ugolini
<email@hidden>, Mike Eddington
<email@hidden>,
<email@hidden>
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On 5/8/08 2:50 PM, "Mark Segal" wrote:
> What I find strange however is that they pulled some very good stuff off
the
> market without having improved materials to replace them with
What did they pull that they didn¹t replace?
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:45:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: MARK SEGAL <email@hidden>
Subject: Fw: The silence is deafening
To: email@hidden
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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: MARK SEGAL <email@hidden>
To: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 6:44:45 PM
Subject: Re: The silence is deafening
ANdrew,
They pulled out the DTP-94 (Monaco OptixXR) - apparently now available only
through Integrated-Color as part of a CED package (for who knows how much
longer), and the Color Pulse Elite spectro/profiling package, which by all
accounts was also an excellent and well-priced product for what it
does/did.
Mark
----- Original Message ----
From: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
To: Mark Segal <email@hidden>; Marco Ugolini
<email@hidden>; Mike Eddington <email@hidden>;
email@hidden
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 5:47:52 PM
Subject: Re: The silence is deafening
On 5/8/08 2:50 PM, "Mark Segal" wrote:
What I find strange however is that they pulled some very good stuff off
the market without having improved materials to replace them with
What did they pull that they didn¢t replace?
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:54:16 -0700
From: Steve Upton <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: The silence is deafening
To: <email@hidden>
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At 3:47 PM -0600 5/8/08, Andrew Rodney wrote:
>On 5/8/08 2:50 PM, "Mark Segal" wrote:
>
>> What I find strange however is that they pulled some very good stuff off
the
>> market without having improved materials to replace them with
>
>What did they pull that they didn't replace?
DTP-41T - now we are without an automated transparency tool to supply (from
them).
DTP-94 - hence the OEM demand to keep it manufactured
Spectrolino/SpectroScan (although some would argue, there's nothing from
them that does ALL the functions, and we use them every day)
Now that's not software, but it is stuff that's gone without replacement.
Also, I don't really want to wade into the argument but I do agree that
X-Rite and Adobe and some other large companies DO have a particular
responsibility to their user base.
When you "own" a market (say >75% market share) and multiple industries
rely on you there is a certain responsibility to that user community to
support your existing systems AND update them. It helps protect the
investment of your existing customers. This isn't a legal responsibility
but it certainly is a moral one. There would be very few customers indeed
if they thought that the manufacture was going to treat them as 'done'
right after the box was shipped.
Then there's also the responsibility to stay in business.....
Regards,
Steve
________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 17:30:26 -0600
From: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: The silence is deafening
To: Steve Upton <email@hidden>,
<email@hidden>, MARK SEGAL
<email@hidden>
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On 5/8/08 4:45 PM, "MARK SEGAL" wrote:
> They pulled out the DTP-94 (Monaco OptixXR) - apparently now available
only
> through Integrated-Color as part of a CED package (for who knows how much
> longer), and the Color Pulse Elite spectro/profiling package, which by
all
> accounts was also an excellent and well-priced product for what it
does/did.
There's "They" (GMB) and "They" (X-Rite) and a history of products being
discontinued prior to and after the merger so its useful to be clear here!
They (X-Rite) had two products that were apparently expensive to build, one
being IMHO a superior instrument that was discontinued and now, as one
company isn't leaving a hole in the product line (the DTP-94).
If you're going to bring up PLUSE, we should barf up iCColor, Spectrolino
scan, geeze, how about the Digital Swatchbook?
I'll point out, with probably the exception of the Swatchbook, all those
devices still work with the current software line (PULSE I'm not sure
about).
On 5/8/08 4:54 PM, "Steve Upton" wrote:
> DTP-41T - now we are without an automated transparency tool to supply
(from
> them).
Yup, that's about the only tool "from them" we don't have. Well I still do
<g>.
> Spectrolino/SpectroScan (although some would argue, there's nothing from
them
> that does ALL the functions, and we use them every day)
Absolutely and why I keep mine. In this case, "them" is different from
"them" (GMB versus X-Rite).
> Also, I don't really want to wade into the argument but I do agree that
X-Rite
> and Adobe and some other large companies DO have a particular
responsibility
> to their user base.
Of course they do (we all do). But that doesn't mean they have to announce
anything prior to release. And there is the crux of this silly post (The
silence is deafening). We have some impatient customers, fine. You think
bitching here is going to do anything about a product not ready to be
announced suddenly being announced? I doubt it. Its all just a lot of
doggie
posturing.
Andrew Rodney
http://www.digitaldog.net/
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 20:17:20 -0400
From: Robert Krawitz <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Can you elaborate how you envisage using Gutenprint as a
RIP?
To: "Millers' Photography L.L.C." <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden, email@hidden
Message-ID:
<email@hidden>
From: "Millers' Photography L.L.C." <email@hidden>
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:10:49 -0700
Hi all. Regarding this question, I would also like to understand
as well as know how to use Gutenprint 5.2.0-2beta.
I seem to be able to print with it. However, as Robert and Matt
know, I have issues with it on my 9600 and R2400, using 10.4.11, G5
dual 2.3
I didn't know you were having trouble with the R2400; you had only
mentioned the 9600. If you're having the same problem with the R2400,
it makes me more confident that the problem is a communication problem
of some kind that we simply haven't managed to track down yet.
Matt sent you a few other things he'd like you to try; have you tried
them all yet? In particular, have you tried a direct connect (no USB
hub), and have you tried the usbtb USB driver?
> Can you elaborate how you envisage using Gutenprint as a RIP?
> It's been a long time since I've looked at Gutenprint, but at
> that time its color management wasn't adequate.
>
> On May 7, 2008, at 6:16 AM, Edmund Ronald wrote:
>
>> Actually, at the moment I'm looking hard at Gutenprint again,
>> with the aim of using it as a RIP
--
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 20:20:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Marco Ugolini <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: The silence is deafening
To: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden
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<email@hidden>
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Andrew Rodney wrote:
>Of course they do (we all do). But that doesn't mean they have to announce
>anything prior to release. And there is the crux of this silly post
Geez yourself, Andrew. Thank you for encapsulating, me and my post as
"silly", thus allowing you blithely to dismiss both.
Where exactly did I ask X-Rite to "announce prior to release"? No, no need
to answer that: it's a rhetorical question.
Though not very deep, all of this is indeed very telling.
Marco Ugolini
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 20:24:58 -0400
From: Robert Krawitz <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: unfavorable X-Rite ColorMunki experience
To: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden, email@hidden,
email@hidden
Message-ID:
<email@hidden>
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 08:42:04 -0600
From: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
On 5/8/08 8:22 AM, "edmund ronald" wrote:
> I am now incapable of being *certain* of getting color-reliable prints
> from any Mac machine I own, when printing from Photoshop, as various
> system bugs, app bugs and printer driver bugs and sundry updates
> collide and interact from version to version.
Isn't that what Tom is hoping to accomplish based on his last post? Its
pretty clear there's a few print issues that need to be addressed.
Hopefully Gutenprint will be able to do the job :-)
> As for camera color,
> it's impossible to expect similar color from two different model
> cameras.This is appalling.
Its not appalling and its been something we've seen from day one in
analog photography, the world didn't explode because Kodachrome
didn't produce the exact color appearance as Velva nor could you be
sure that two lens of the same manufacturer produced identical
color on the same film, shooting the same scene (or that one batch
of Agfachrome would match another). Or that two E6 labs would
produce the same chrome shot side by side on two different
cameras. Or that two printers of the same make produce identical
color from the same set of RGB numbers run though two different
manufactures ICC profiles!
Kodachrome vs. Velvia is essentially a matter of deliberately choosing
different settings. Beyond that, the fact that process control was
not good in the analog days isn't a good excuse for it not being bad
now -- unless the de facto requirement has looser tolerances than what
people here claim to be the case.
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Robert Krawitz <email@hidden>
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